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    John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by theacademic on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 7:09 am

    Recently, I have been conducting research on the latest incidents of racism in football and whether this is a new phase or has been present for a number of years. Today (Friday) John Terry has been removed as captain of England ahead of his court appearance in July. I'm interested to know what you think of this and whether Terry should go to the European Championships. I've set up a 3-question survey that will take you less than a minute to complete - just go to: http://www.topfan.co.uk

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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by Mucker1884 on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 7:57 am

    No offence, Accy, but being a bit of a technophobe, I'm loathe to click on links provided by "complete strangers".

    IMO, Terry should be sacked from England full stop. Regardless of the court case hanging over him, I think he's already proved, time and time again, that he is guilty....... of being a complete and utter nob-5hite!


    There, who needs a survey!!

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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by Li 150 on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 8:15 am

    Mucker1884 wrote:No offence, Accy, but being a bit of a technophobe, I'm loathe to click on links provided by "complete strangers".

    IMO, Terry should be sacked from England full stop. Regardless of the court case hanging over him, I think he's already proved, time and time again, that he is guilty....... of being a complete and utter nob-5hite!


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    Only one way to find out.....


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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by SawleyRam on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 9:06 am

    Li 150 wrote:
    Mucker1884 wrote:No offence, Accy, but being a bit of a technophobe, I'm loathe to click on links provided by "complete strangers".

    IMO, Terry should be sacked from England full stop. Regardless of the court case hanging over him, I think he's already proved, time and time again, that he is guilty....... of being a complete and utter nob-5hite!


    There, who needs a survey!!

    Only one way to find out.....


    I do not like Terry but the one thing I question is how can anybody take sanctions when the law states that a person is innocent until proven guilty. What has been taken away from him now cannot be replaced if he is found innocent.

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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by Mucker1884 on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 11:12 am

    It's no different to a "Suspended, pending an enquiry". It covers ar5es!!!

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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by New England Ram on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 1:03 pm

    Is John Terry capable of any ?


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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by theacademic on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 1:27 pm

    Thanks for these comments guys and thanks also to those taking the time to complete the 1-minute survey.

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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by Hectors House on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 3:04 pm

    SawleyRam wrote:
    Li 150 wrote:
    Mucker1884 wrote:No offence, Accy, but being a bit of a technophobe, I'm loathe to click on links provided by "complete strangers".

    IMO, Terry should be sacked from England full stop. Regardless of the court case hanging over him, I think he's already proved, time and time again, that he is guilty....... of being a complete and utter nob-5hite!


    There, who needs a survey!!

    Only one way to find out.....


    I do not like Terry but the one thing I question is how can anybody take sanctions when the law states that a person is innocent until proven guilty. What has been taken away from him now cannot be replaced if he is found innocent.


    At work you can be suspended pending an enquiry,this does not constitute any implication of guilt....or so they say.
    For me he should not go to the euros full stop

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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by Li 150 on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 3:19 pm

    New England Ram wrote:Is John Terry capable of any ?


    wheyhay, i get it, it took several looks & a couple of several hours but at least i got there


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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by chicken on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 3:40 pm

    SawleyRam wrote:
    Li 150 wrote:
    Mucker1884 wrote:No offence, Accy, but being a bit of a technophobe, I'm loathe to click on links provided by "complete strangers".

    IMO, Terry should be sacked from England full stop. Regardless of the court case hanging over him, I think he's already proved, time and time again, that he is guilty....... of being a complete and utter nob-5hite!


    There, who needs a survey!!

    Only one way to find out.....


    I do not like Terry but the one thing I question is how can anybody take sanctions when the law states that a person is innocent until proven guilty. What has been taken away from him now cannot be replaced if he is found innocent.


    Surely the fact that when the incident is shown on TV, they blur out his mouth so you can't read his lips, indicates that something was said which isn't quite right?

    If that makes sense

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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by SawleyRam on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 3:53 pm

    Mucker1884 wrote:It's no different to a "Suspended, pending an enquiry". It covers ar5es!!!


    But they haven't said that, they appear to have sacked him from the captaincy but he is still playing in the Euro's. Verdict delivered by implication.

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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by Venice Ram on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 5:55 pm

    SawleyRam wrote:
    Mucker1884 wrote:It's no different to a "Suspended, pending an enquiry". It covers ar5es!!!


    But they haven't said that, they appear to have sacked him from the captaincy but he is still playing in the Euro's. Verdict delivered by implication.


    Sawley, I agree with you. Despite what anyone thinks of Terry, he is still innocent.

    What the FA appears to have tried to do, is appease their critics by removing the captaincy, but by allowing him to be selected for the Euros, have avoided potential litigation by Terry if he is declared innocent. I also wonder what Capellos reaction would have been IF THE fa had banned him from playing.

    The other bizarre part of this is the reason for the delay, namely an appeal by Chelsea that they would suffer if there players are required to testify during the season, thus disrupting their training. I wonder what Harry Redknapp thinks about that.

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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by New England Ram on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 8:41 pm

    Harry has no time to think about anything right now he is in scramble mode.


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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by theacademic on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 9:42 pm

    Thanks for taking the time to complete the survey - it'll take you 1-minute - http://www.topfan.co.uk

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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by RRC on Sat 04 Feb 2012, 9:52 pm

    The incident took place in October - why can't deal with until July?
    I bet a fan accused of racism wouldn't get 9 months' grace.

    Don't think Terry should be selected - he's far too slow these daya.


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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by RamNut on Sun 05 Feb 2012, 9:43 pm

    i've always thought that john terry gets a terribly unfair press.

    take that time he was accused of scrapping in a nightclub and assaulting the doorman. totally unfair. i'm pretty sure that gentleman john would have been acting as peacemaker. Probably the doorman was causing trouble. looking at him.

    or that time when he was with a group at heathrow hotel - getting hissed and abusing american tourists. i expect he was the very model of decorum - until possibly provoked by them using the word 'john' to mean the toilet.

    then when he bonked wayne bridge's bird.
    why would wayne bridge assume that the mother of his child should be expected to resist the overtures of his best mate? Come on....he's bound to attract alot of female attention. or summut like that.

    and there was the time he was flogging tours of wembley, or renting out the executive box that was given for exclusive use by the England captain; did the FA ever say he shouldn't do that?

    or when he told capello what a complete and utter cork up he was making of the world cup or Euros or whatever it was. Surely he was right. It wasn't the players fault was it?

    and then when he called Anton Ferdinand. I expect he just shouted ' oi Anton - you block Hunt or Brunt or Kenny Lunt or some such name.He was probably trying to help him with his game.

    honestly - give the bloke some slack. innocent until proven guilty and all that.


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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by Tilly on Sun 05 Feb 2012, 10:59 pm

    And the usual pre tournament meltdown continues

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16899940

    Just when you thought it couldn't get messier.

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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by New England Ram on Mon 06 Feb 2012, 12:10 am

    Better to go in as we mean to go on.
    Rather than pretending we have a chance.


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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by Tilly on Mon 06 Feb 2012, 10:47 am

    New England Ram wrote:Better to go in as we mean to go on.
    Rather than pretending we have a chance.


    After the last world cup there was a debate on the radio about whether England should ditch the first team and go with the youngsters. One ex-footballer who shall remain nameless (cough-Claridge-cough) said that we shouldn't go into a tournament expecting not to win.

    That's what's wrong with English football. We haven't got a cats chance in hell of winning anything for years to come but that's the attitude we have.

    But it will be the Terry thing that was our downfall and not the fact that we aren't as good as we think we are.

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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by darthdmun on Mon 06 Feb 2012, 11:29 am

    well said Tilly. i agree that the whole JT issue will become the scapegoat for when we fail in a major tournament..again!!!!

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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by New England Ram on Mon 06 Feb 2012, 12:29 pm

    Tilly wrote:
    New England Ram wrote:Better to go in as we mean to go on.
    Rather than pretending we have a chance.


    After the last world cup there was a debate on the radio about whether England should ditch the first team and go with the youngsters. One ex-footballer who shall remain nameless (cough-Claridge-cough) said that we shouldn't go into a tournament expecting not to win.

    That's what's wrong with English football. We haven't got a cats chance in hell of winning anything for years to come but that's the attitude we have.

    But it will be the Terry thing that was our downfall and not the fact that we aren't as good as we think we are.


    Disagree it will be because we are not good enough and have a team littered with possibly some of the biggest wankers ever to wear and England shirt.



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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Mon 06 Feb 2012, 2:58 pm

    New England Ram wrote:
    Tilly wrote:
    New England Ram wrote:Better to go in as we mean to go on.
    Rather than pretending we have a chance.


    After the last world cup there was a debate on the radio about whether England should ditch the first team and go with the youngsters. One ex-footballer who shall remain nameless (cough-Claridge-cough) said that we shouldn't go into a tournament expecting not to win.

    That's what's wrong with English football. We haven't got a cats chance in hell of winning anything for years to come but that's the attitude we have.

    But it will be the Terry thing that was our downfall and not the fact that we aren't as good as we think we are.


    Disagree it will be because we are not good enough and have a team littered with possibly some of the biggest wankers ever to wear and England shirt.



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    Re: John Terry - thoughts?

    Post by feltwellram on Mon 06 Feb 2012, 7:20 pm

    John terry's a gobshite as are quite a few of our so called top players and after the shambles of the last world cup should never have been let near the England shirt ever again.So who's now one of the favourites for the captaincy,none other than mr S Gerrard ,another overrated arsehole who likes nothing more than thumping opposition players in the back of the head and getting involved in fights in nightclubs.

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    Post by Pearson's Right Foot on Mon 06 Feb 2012, 10:29 pm

    Just heard someone on RD criticising the FA as they haven't charged Terry or done anything with his case like they did with Suarez. Well they clearly can't as yet as it could/would affect the criminal prosecution. The FA ban will follow next season.


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    Post by Venice Ram on Tue 07 Feb 2012, 12:53 am

    Pearson's Right Foot wrote:Just heard someone on RD criticising the FA as they haven't charged Terry or done anything with his case like they did with Suarez. Well they clearly can't as yet as it could/would affect the criminal prosecution. The FA ban will follow next season.


    I disagree. The FA have effectively found Terry guilty by stripping him of the captaincy.

    What is going to be interesting, is if Terry is proven innocent on criminal charges, which he could well be, will be if he then sues the FA.

    I am certainly not defending Terry, but the FA have made a complete balls of this.

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