Chelsea 3 goals - ManYou 2 penalties, 1 goal (ref Howard Webb)

Stoke 0 goals - ManYou 2 penalties (ref MJ Jones)

They don't get the most pens, but they certainly get them at the right time.

totally ruined a good thrashing, Webb should be shot.

Howard Webb is currently leading the way in the race for Man Utd's player of the year!

Genuinely what I don't understand is why Webb's contribution to Uniteds cause is not questiooned more seriously. Yes, fans joke about it, and of course the odd player posts pictures making light of it, but why is there no serious investigation into the amount of contentious decisions that he gives to United.

I notice that he refused a good United penalty shout in the first half, and I actually said to myself that he would rectify that in the second half having been reminded of his contractual obligation to United by Old Purple nose at half time. Sure enough, not only did he give them a leg up he pretty much gained them a point that they shouldn't have had. I think in cricket it would be called irregular betting patterns and serious doubt would be cast over Webb.

I'm sure the Manc will be on soon enough to complain, but as he recently tried to say that United get less decisions than anybody else, he's got a bit of a credibility issue in my opinion.

I thought both of them were penalties today, to be fair. Marginal maybe, but I don't think AVB can be too disgruntled.

robtheglostaram wrote:I thought both of them were penalties today, to be fair. Marginal maybe, but I don't think AVB can be too disgruntled.

Sorry Rob but you have to be kidding? The 2nd especially was frankly laughable as he moved his leg towards the defender (Ivanovic?) to make contact. The first was also debateable imo - an unnatural movement by Evra to again ensure contact and he went down very softly.

Lets put it this way, we wouldn't get either of them, and neither would most teams.

It's a joke that's gone on far too long -

However, when a combination of Gary Neville, Rio Ferdinand and Ryan Giggs (United seem to have so many captains these days) lift the trophy in the weeks to come, one wonders if the club will hand a medal to referee Howard Webb.

In awarding United a penalty 12 minutes into the second half, he offered them a lifeline on a day when they had hitherto performed miserably and so transformed the game. And what a wretched decision it was, too. One of the worst.

Tottenham goalkeeper Heurelho Gomes clearly touched the ball away from Michael Carrick as he ran on to Wayne Rooney's superb through pass. Webb, however, saw an infringement. But how could he? He was 35 yards away, behind play. Carrick had his back to him. He simply could not see clearly. So he guessed. And he guessed in favour of the home team.

Spurs midfielder Jermaine Jenas said: 'That was a prime example of a referee crumbling under pressure at Old Trafford. It would have been a completely different game if they had not got that first goal. It's just the way football is sometimes and pressure gets to people.

'The atmosphere, the occasion, the importance of the match, a lot of factors take their toll when making decisions.

'One thing which struck me about it was that he didn't even think. It was like he'd already made his mind up when he came out for the second half that he was going to give something.

Man Utd 5 Spurs 2: The moment that Webb handed the title to United


The 10 dodgiest penalties awarded at Old Trafford - and, surprise surprise, each one went Manchester United's way

Pearson's Right Foot wrote:

robtheglostaram wrote:I thought both of them were penalties today, to be fair. Marginal maybe, but I don't think AVB can be too disgruntled.

Sorry Rob but you have to be kidding? The 2nd especially was frankly laughable as he moved his leg towards the defender (Ivanovic?) to make contact. The first was also debateable imo - an unnatural movement by Evra to again ensure contact and he went down very softly.

Lets put it this way, we wouldn't get either of them, and neither would most teams.

I thought the first was a stonewaller, although agree the second was debateable. If so, should the benefit of any doubt not go to an attacking team? It would have been less debateable had it been outside of the box, those are given all the time.

RRC wrote:It's a joke that's gone on far too long -

However, when a combination of Gary Neville, Rio Ferdinand and Ryan Giggs (United seem to have so many captains these days) lift the trophy in the weeks to come, one wonders if the club will hand a medal to referee Howard Webb.

In awarding United a penalty 12 minutes into the second half, he offered them a lifeline on a day when they had hitherto performed miserably and so transformed the game. And what a wretched decision it was, too. One of the worst.

Tottenham goalkeeper Heurelho Gomes clearly touched the ball away from Michael Carrick as he ran on to Wayne Rooney's superb through pass. Webb, however, saw an infringement. But how could he? He was 35 yards away, behind play. Carrick had his back to him. He simply could not see clearly. So he guessed. And he guessed in favour of the home team.

Spurs midfielder Jermaine Jenas said: 'That was a prime example of a referee crumbling under pressure at Old Trafford. It would have been a completely different game if they had not got that first goal. It's just the way football is sometimes and pressure gets to people.

'The atmosphere, the occasion, the importance of the match, a lot of factors take their toll when making decisions.

'One thing which struck me about it was that he didn't even think. It was like he'd already made his mind up when he came out for the second half that he was going to give something.

Man Utd 5 Spurs 2: The moment that Webb handed the title to United


The 10 dodgiest penalties awarded at Old Trafford - and, surprise surprise, each one went Manchester United's way

Referees get decisions wrong constantly - is Billy Davies paying Stuart Atwell? Clearly Webb has made errors in judgment, but I think some people love to point out any errors he makes which favour United.

Evra runs into Sturridge's path for the first one imo, and Wellbeck is a dirty diving b@stard for the 2nd by 'doing a Pires' and kicking his leg into the defenders leg.

You lose a three nil lead at home if Chelsea are looking to lay blame they need look no further than their own dressing room.

Pearson's Right Foot wrote:Evra runs into Sturridge's path for the first one imo, and Wellbeck is a dirty diving b@stard for the 2nd by 'doing a Pires' and kicking his leg into the defenders leg.

I don't think it was remotely clear cut personally, debateable but not clearcut. We'll have to agree to disagree

i thought the first one was a pen but no way on earth was the second one a Penalty.

Howard Webb has reffed Man Utd 30 times in his career and in those games he has awarded Man Utd 9 penalties.

One every three games, thats the kind of record a goalscorer would love to have.

Loughborough Ram wrote:Howard Webb has reffed Man Utd 30 times in his career and in those games he has awarded Man Utd 9 penalties.

One every three games, thats the kind of record a goalscorer would love to have.

Any goal scorer or captain looking to park his ship would have killed to have the space Hernandez had for the third.

Wouldn't have counted for much though, without the two earlier gifts from Santa Webb

Loughborough Ram wrote:Howard Webb is currently leading the way in the race for Man Utd's player of the year!

Genuinely what I don't understand is why Webb's contribution to Uniteds cause is not questiooned more seriously. Yes, fans joke about it, and of course the odd player posts pictures making light of it, but why is there no serious investigation into the amount of contentious decisions that he gives to United.

I notice that he refused a good United penalty shout in the first half, and I actually said to myself that he would rectify that in the second half having been reminded of his contractual obligation to United by Old Purple nose at half time. Sure enough, not only did he give them a leg up he pretty much gained them a point that they shouldn't have had. I think in cricket it would be called irregular betting patterns and serious doubt would be cast over Webb.

I'm sure the Manc will be on soon enough to complain, but as he recently tried to say that United get less decisions than anybody else, he's got a bit of a credibility issue in my opinion.

What about the clear sending-off and penalty that were not given in the first-half that probably robbed United of the victory they deserved because in that game they were the better team.

United do get less than the other major teams mainly from the one-eyed furore that comes from the London/Scouse press. Perhaps you read too many of these rags and tell me of all these Webb decisions that favour United I can think of one and that turned out to be not a big factor in the final result.

Loughborough Ram wrote:Wouldn't have counted for much though, without the two earlier gifts from Santa Webb

Ah you gotta get in the box to get em rightly or wrongly...Chelsea want shagging 3-0 up with 40 minutes to go at home....team that cost that much together should have killed that game dead...

RRC wrote:It's a joke that's gone on far too long -

However, when a combination of Gary Neville, Rio Ferdinand and Ryan Giggs (United seem to have so many captains these days) lift the trophy in the weeks to come, one wonders if the club will hand a medal to referee Howard Webb.

In awarding United a penalty 12 minutes into the second half, he offered them a lifeline on a day when they had hitherto performed miserably and so transformed the game. And what a wretched decision it was, too. One of the worst.

Tottenham goalkeeper Heurelho Gomes clearly touched the ball away from Michael Carrick as he ran on to Wayne Rooney's superb through pass. Webb, however, saw an infringement. But how could he? He was 35 yards away, behind play. Carrick had his back to him. He simply could not see clearly. So he guessed. And he guessed in favour of the home team.

Spurs midfielder Jermaine Jenas said: 'That was a prime example of a referee crumbling under pressure at Old Trafford. It would have been a completely different game if they had not got that first goal. It's just the way football is sometimes and pressure gets to people.

'The atmosphere, the occasion, the importance of the match, a lot of factors take their toll when making decisions.

'One thing which struck me about it was that he didn't even think. It was like he'd already made his mind up when he came out for the second half that he was going to give something.

Man Utd 5 Spurs 2: The moment that Webb handed the title to United


The 10 dodgiest penalties awarded at Old Trafford - and, surprise surprise, each one went Manchester United's way

One eyed crap what about the other four goals and the other 10 United could have scored in that half. Penalty or no penalty Spurs were battered in that half.

ianm wrote:

Loughborough Ram wrote:Howard Webb is currently leading the way in the race for Man Utd's player of the year!

Genuinely what I don't understand is why Webb's contribution to Uniteds cause is not questiooned more seriously. Yes, fans joke about it, and of course the odd player posts pictures making light of it, but why is there no serious investigation into the amount of contentious decisions that he gives to United.

I notice that he refused a good United penalty shout in the first half, and I actually said to myself that he would rectify that in the second half having been reminded of his contractual obligation to United by Old Purple nose at half time. Sure enough, not only did he give them a leg up he pretty much gained them a point that they shouldn't have had. I think in cricket it would be called irregular betting patterns and serious doubt would be cast over Webb.

I'm sure the Manc will be on soon enough to complain, but as he recently tried to say that United get less decisions than anybody else, he's got a bit of a credibility issue in my opinion.

What about the clear sending-off and penalty that were not given in the first-half that probably robbed United of the victory they deserved because in that game they were the better team.

United do get less than the other major teams mainly from the one-eyed furore that comes from the London/Scouse press. Perhaps you read too many of these rags and tell me of all these Webb decisions that favour United I can think of one and that turned out to be not a big factor in the final result.

I've covered most of your Manc biased points in my original post but just for your information, I don't read any papers, I just use my eyes. That's all I need to know that Man Utd are favoured by most refs.

Loughborough Ram wrote:

ianm wrote:

Loughborough Ram wrote:Howard Webb is currently leading the way in the race for Man Utd's player of the year!

Genuinely what I don't understand is why Webb's contribution to Uniteds cause is not questiooned more seriously. Yes, fans joke about it, and of course the odd player posts pictures making light of it, but why is there no serious investigation into the amount of contentious decisions that he gives to United.

I notice that he refused a good United penalty shout in the first half, and I actually said to myself that he would rectify that in the second half having been reminded of his contractual obligation to United by Old Purple nose at half time. Sure enough, not only did he give them a leg up he pretty much gained them a point that they shouldn't have had. I think in cricket it would be called irregular betting patterns and serious doubt would be cast over Webb.

I'm sure the Manc will be on soon enough to complain, but as he recently tried to say that United get less decisions than anybody else, he's got a bit of a credibility issue in my opinion.

What about the clear sending-off and penalty that were not given in the first-half that probably robbed United of the victory they deserved because in that game they were the better team.

United do get less than the other major teams mainly from the one-eyed furore that comes from the London/Scouse press. Perhaps you read too many of these rags and tell me of all these Webb decisions that favour United I can think of one and that turned out to be not a big factor in the final result.

I've covered most of your Manc biased points in my original post but just for your information, I don't read any papers, I just use my eyes. That's all I need to know that Man Utd are favoured by most refs.

To be fair mate...was no different when Liverpool were in their pomp back in the 70s and 80s.
Most teams that dominate seem to get the rub of the green....unless its Leeds looking for a offside call v West Brom

You're not wrong mate, but it doesn't make it right. I would also argue that the leading clubs already have far more advantages over the rest than the scummy scousers did in the 70's.

They really don't need our supposedly leading official in their camp, they are good enough to be up there anyway. Maybe they just think that he's useful in emergencies...........as he proved to be yesterday.

Loughborough Ram wrote:You're not wrong mate, but it doesn't make it right. I would also argue that the leading clubs already have far more advantages over the rest than the scummy scousers did in the 70's.

They really don't need our supposedly leading official in their camp, they are good enough to be up there anyway. Maybe they just think that he's useful in emergencies...........as he proved to be yesterday.

Although mate there is way more coverage of said incidents in this fu**ed up era.

Loughborough Ram wrote:

ianm wrote:

Loughborough Ram wrote:Howard Webb is currently leading the way in the race for Man Utd's player of the year!

Genuinely what I don't understand is why Webb's contribution to Uniteds cause is not questiooned more seriously. Yes, fans joke about it, and of course the odd player posts pictures making light of it, but why is there no serious investigation into the amount of contentious decisions that he gives to United.

I notice that he refused a good United penalty shout in the first half, and I actually said to myself that he would rectify that in the second half having been reminded of his contractual obligation to United by Old Purple nose at half time. Sure enough, not only did he give them a leg up he pretty much gained them a point that they shouldn't have had. I think in cricket it would be called irregular betting patterns and serious doubt would be cast over Webb.

I'm sure the Manc will be on soon enough to complain, but as he recently tried to say that United get less decisions than anybody else, he's got a bit of a credibility issue in my opinion.

What about the clear sending-off and penalty that were not given in the first-half that probably robbed United of the victory they deserved because in that game they were the better team.

United do get less than the other major teams mainly from the one-eyed furore that comes from the London/Scouse press. Perhaps you read too many of these rags and tell me of all these Webb decisions that favour United I can think of one and that turned out to be not a big factor in the final result.

I've covered most of your Manc biased points in my original post but just for your information, I don't read any papers, I just use my eyes. That's all I need to know that Man Utd are favoured by most refs.

Not United biased but fair yesterday overall United got the worst of the decisions. A clear red-card for Cahill and a penalty later on Young. One clear penalty on Evra and the one on Welbeck not a penalty. Overall if he had got them all right United would likely have got the win their fast attacking football deserved. Overall United do not get favoured by refs just look at the horrendous performances by Atkinson the last 2 seasons at Chelsea and tell me when United have got decisions to that level of favour.

It seems you can't see outside the prism of your own bias. Have you never got over the youth cup loss you talked about.

Prism of myy own bias? are you kiddin? I'm that biased I actually equalised for United don't forget

Loughborough Ram wrote:Prism of myy own bias? are you kiddin? I'm that biased I actually equalised for United don't forget

robtheglostaram wrote:

Pearson's Right Foot wrote:

robtheglostaram wrote:I thought both of them were penalties today, to be fair. Marginal maybe, but I don't think AVB can be too disgruntled.

Sorry Rob but you have to be kidding? The 2nd especially was frankly laughable as he moved his leg towards the defender (Ivanovic?) to make contact. The first was also debateable imo - an unnatural movement by Evra to again ensure contact and he went down very softly.

Lets put it this way, we wouldn't get either of them, and neither would most teams.

I thought the first was a stonewaller, although agree the second was debateable. If so, should the benefit of any doubt not go to an attacking team? It would have been less debateable had it been outside of the box, those are given all the time.

RRC wrote:It's a joke that's gone on far too long -

However, when a combination of Gary Neville, Rio Ferdinand and Ryan Giggs (United seem to have so many captains these days) lift the trophy in the weeks to come, one wonders if the club will hand a medal to referee Howard Webb.

In awarding United a penalty 12 minutes into the second half, he offered them a lifeline on a day when they had hitherto performed miserably and so transformed the game. And what a wretched decision it was, too. One of the worst.

Tottenham goalkeeper Heurelho Gomes clearly touched the ball away from Michael Carrick as he ran on to Wayne Rooney's superb through pass. Webb, however, saw an infringement. But how could he? He was 35 yards away, behind play. Carrick had his back to him. He simply could not see clearly. So he guessed. And he guessed in favour of the home team.

Spurs midfielder Jermaine Jenas said: 'That was a prime example of a referee crumbling under pressure at Old Trafford. It would have been a completely different game if they had not got that first goal. It's just the way football is sometimes and pressure gets to people.

'The atmosphere, the occasion, the importance of the match, a lot of factors take their toll when making decisions.

'One thing which struck me about it was that he didn't even think. It was like he'd already made his mind up when he came out for the second half that he was going to give something.

Man Utd 5 Spurs 2: The moment that Webb handed the title to United


The 10 dodgiest penalties awarded at Old Trafford - and, surprise surprise, each one went Manchester United's way

Referees get decisions wrong constantly - is Billy Davies paying Stuart Atwell? Clearly Webb has made errors in judgment, but I think some people love to point out any errors he makes which favour United.

How many other teams do you know of who would get 2 dodgy penaltys awarded to them inside 45 minutes?