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    Post by SawleyRam on Tue 10 Sep 2013, 8:31 am

    The F.A. rules state:

    34.2 Facilities for visiting supporters

    34.2.1 Each Club must make provision for at least 2,000 visiting supporters at every home match or such number as represents 10% of the Club's certified capacity, if less than 2,000. The Executive may, on the prior written application of a Club, suspend this Regulation or reduce the figure either for a particular League Match or for a period of time. Each Club shall, subject to any dispensations granted by the Board, make provision for at least 200 of the visiting supporters to be accommodated under cover. Any Club which fails to meet the requirement of 200 visiting supporters being accommodated under cover and which does not have a dispensation granted by the Board shall have such amounts as the Board shall determine (in its absolute discretion) withheld from that Club's central distributions from the Pool Account until such time as the Club can meet the requirement.

    Fo*est capacity is 30,602 so their 10% allocation would be 3,060 under normal circumstances but the rules do make provision for their nonsensical allocation of 2,002. At a quick calculation at £30.00 per ticket they are losing income from Derby a total of £31,740 and for other teams that would buy up the full allocation in this division, say 5, that's a grand total of £158,700 this season alone. Reddog ticket prices to soar next season then?



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    Post by RRC on Tue 10 Sep 2013, 8:59 am

    SawleyRam wrote:The F.A. rules state:

    34.2 Facilities for visiting supporters

    34.2.1 Each Club must make provision for at least 2,000 visiting supporters at every home match or such number as represents 10% of the Club's certified capacity, if less than 2,000. The Executive may, on the prior written application of a Club, suspend this Regulation or reduce the figure either for a particular League Match or for a period of time. Each Club shall, subject to any dispensations granted by the Board, make provision for at least 200 of the visiting supporters to be accommodated under cover. Any Club which fails to meet the requirement of 200 visiting supporters being accommodated under cover and which does not have a dispensation granted by the Board shall have such amounts as the Board shall determine (in its absolute discretion) withheld from that Club's central distributions from the Pool Account until such time as the Club can meet the requirement.

    Fo*est capacity is 30,602 so their 10% allocation would be 3,060 under normal circumstances but the rules do make provision for their nonsensical allocation of 2,002. At a quick calculation at £30.00 per ticket they are losing income from Derby a total of £31,740 and for other teams that would buy up the full allocation in this division, say 5, that's a grand total of £158,700 this season alone. Reddog ticket prices to soar next season then?
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    The  rule might be clearer, if it said that -
    - the 2,000 tickets rule only applies to grounds that hold 20,000 or more (inc PPS and the City ground)
    - the 10% rule applies to only grounds that hold fewer than 20,000 (obviously not PPS or the City ground)

    The reason for the 10% rule for smaller grounds may be clearer in this example -
    If a ground holds 1,500, then 10% of the tickets must be allocated to visitors,
    which would be 150 tickets (not 2,000, which would be impossible anyway).

    So NFFC is within the rules in offering only 2,000 visitor tickets - as DCFC will be if it retaliates.

    If the clubs can sell all the tickets anyway, they won't lose any income.
    If they or we can't sell out, we'll both lose money we can ill afford.



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    Post by Barnstaple Ram on Tue 10 Sep 2013, 12:45 pm

    I believe the Premier Leagues rules are 3,000 or 10%

    so how come Manure only offer about 1,800 :whis: 
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    Post by Manchester Ram on Tue 10 Sep 2013, 12:52 pm

    apparently they are only allowing the same amount to all away teams this season.
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    Post by ShardlowSheep on Tue 10 Sep 2013, 3:12 pm

    Manchester Ram wrote:apparently they are only allowing the same amount to all away teams this season.
    Which seems very dat considering they get nowhere near filling their ground each game. Surely they will be reducing their average attendance by doing this?
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    Post by RRC on Tue 10 Sep 2013, 3:30 pm

    ShardlowSheep wrote:
    Manchester Ram wrote:apparently they are only allowing the same amount to all away teams this season.
    Which seems very dat considering they get nowhere near filling their ground each game. Surely they will be reducing their average attendance by doing this?
    How often do we get more than 2,000 away fans at PPS?
    My guess is very rarely, so we wouldn't lose much.

    By imposing the same 2,000 limit for every game, NFFC can set their seating plan for the
    whole season and don't have to annoy home fans by making them move for some games.

    This seems quite sensible to me (it pains me to say that about NFFC).



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    Post by Calif_Ramette on Wed 11 Sep 2013, 5:48 pm

    I do hope we retaliate and only allow 2000 Red Dogs in for the return fixture.
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    Post by Angus on Wed 11 Sep 2013, 6:20 pm

    Calif_Ramette wrote:I do hope we retaliate and only allow 2000 Red Dogs in for the return fixture.
    Even if that means leaving 2000 empty seats, so losing 50k plus in revenue. The police won't allow both sets of fans in that stand, unless Rush can change safety policy that's the option.
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    Post by Calif_Ramette on Wed 11 Sep 2013, 6:21 pm

    Angus wrote:
    Calif_Ramette wrote:I do hope we retaliate and only allow 2000 Red Dogs in for the return fixture.
    Even if that means leaving 2000 empty seats, so losing 50k plus in revenue. The police won't allow both sets of fans in that stand, unless Rush can change safety policy that's the option.
    I'm spiteful today what can I say.
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    Post by MadAmster on Wed 11 Sep 2013, 6:24 pm

    Spreading the new SouthStand ST holders to all 4 points of the compass will see a repeat of the Festah game where it sounded more like the Fosse were at home rather than us.

    That is a mistake we should never, ever repeat.
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    Post by Angus on Wed 11 Sep 2013, 6:50 pm

    MadAmster wrote:Spreading the new SouthStand ST holders to all 4 points of the compass will see a repeat of the Festah game where it sounded more like the Fosse were at home rather than us.

    That is a mistake we should never, ever repeat.
    Not much choice if that's what the safety officials require.
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    Post by MadAmster on Wed 11 Sep 2013, 9:54 pm

    In that case Angus, I vote we move the away fans into the SW corner as that is almost always empty.

    It is our home ground. That is supposed to be advantageous. Moving South Stand ST holders all over the place just for a few extra tickets does not make sense. Letz av sum noyz!!
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    Post by Angus on Wed 11 Sep 2013, 10:09 pm

    MadAmster wrote:In that case Angus, I vote we move the away fans into the SW corner as that is almost always empty.

    It is our home ground. That is supposed to be advantageous. Moving South Stand ST holders all over the place just for a few extra tickets does not make sense. Letz av sum noyz!!
    That is a possible option as no ST's have been sold in that area this season.
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    Post by MadAmster on Thu 12 Sep 2013, 6:56 am

    If only those in power were as all seeing as us, Angus. :lol!: 
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    Post by thatguyfromderby on Thu 12 Sep 2013, 2:58 pm

    It's kind of strange. Most fans think it's the clubs obligation to move fans round to make the stadium a bit more noisy when it's simply that the fans should just start making some noise!

    What the hell does the west stand do most of the time? Why is NO ONE ever making any noise over there? It's all well and good having 24k per game, but if only 200 of those are getting involved.. what does it even matter?
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    Post by Tilly on Thu 12 Sep 2013, 4:12 pm

    thatguyfromderby wrote:It's kind of strange. Most fans think it's the clubs obligation to move fans round to make the stadium a bit more noisy when it's simply that the fans should just start making some noise!

    What the hell does the west stand do most of the time? Why is NO ONE ever making any noise over there? It's all well and good having 24k per game, but if only 200 of those are getting involved.. what does it even matter?
    That's true. And against Burnley even the South Stand gave up and most of them went home before the end of the game.

    The atmosphere in the Cup match was brilliant even though there were just under 10K there. Though I think the scoreline did a lot to help it.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: the majority of the Derby crowd are reactive. If the game is flat then the crowd is. Plus the people around us don't want to spend the whole match singing, we like to talk about what's happening on the pitch, not sing about how much we hate the team which live at the other end of the A52.

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