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    Cricket World Cup

    Post by Boris on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 4:53 pm

    50 over format starts on Friday night with the Aussies and New Zealand joint hosts. Should be exciting although the start times for us not ideal.....10pm and 3.30am our time.

    Long-winded initial Group stages including the minnows will drag on a bit.

    Aussies strong favourites. England will have to be at their best to make the semis. My outside bet is New Zealand.....
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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by bramhallram on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 5:42 pm

    We'll have to play a lot better than we did yesterday if we're going to have any chance of reaching the semi-finals.

    It would be handy if our latest skipper could chip in with a few runs as well.

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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by Angus on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 9:51 pm

    bramhallram wrote:We'll have to play a lot better than we did yesterday if we're going to have any chance of reaching the semi-finals.

    It would be handy if our latest skipper could chip in with a few runs as well.

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    We could do ok, won't be helped if they persist in playing Ravi Bopara Afraid how many chances will he get.

    Spin won't be the main factor in Australia so if enough of our players find some form we have an outside chance. Aussies or South Africa are the likely winners.
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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by RRC on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 9:58 pm

    Boris wrote:50 over format starts on Friday night with the Aussies and New Zealand joint hosts. Should be exciting although the start times for us not ideal.....10pm and 3.30am our time.

    Long-winded initial Group stages including the minnows will drag on a bit.

    Aussies strong favourites. England will have to be at their best to make the semis. My outside bet is New Zealand.....

    Outsiders? NZ are in my top three along with Australia and South Africa.

    England will need a lot of luck to get much beyond the group stage.

    The batsmen are generally unreliable, apart from Root and Bell, and they still can't judge
    or make the kind of total needed when they bat first.

    The bowlers only do well if the conditions are helping and even then they seem to fade
    after their opening spells. Their death bowling is usually pretty awful.

    Morgan has to play now he's captain but why Bopara who isn't bowling, has been totally
    out of form batting for ages and has never done well in ODIs outside of England?
    Replace him with any of one from Ballance, Jordan or Tredwell for me.



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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by Angus on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 10:09 pm

    RRC wrote:
    Boris wrote:50 over format starts on Friday night with the Aussies and New Zealand joint hosts. Should be exciting although the start times for us not ideal.....10pm and 3.30am our time.

    Long-winded initial Group stages including the minnows will drag on a bit.

    Aussies strong favourites. England will have to be at their best to make the semis. My outside bet is New Zealand.....

    Outsiders? NZ are in my top three along with Australia and South Africa.

    England will need a lot of luck to get much beyond the group stage.

    The batsmen are generally unreliable, apart from Root and Bell, and they still can't judge
    or make the kind of total needed when they bat first.

    The bowlers only do well if the conditions are helping and even then they seem to fade
    after their opening spells. Their death bowling is usually pretty awful.

    Morgan has to play now he's captain but why Bopara who isn't bowling, has been totally
    out of form batting for ages and has never done well in ODIs outside of England?
    Replace him with any of one from Ballance, Jordan or Tredwell for me.

    I would play Ballance, good temperament will get stuck in, good fielder as well, Tredwell never lets the team down, Jordan never sure what you are going to get with him.
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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by Barnstaple Ram on Fri 20 Feb 2015, 8:10 am

    After this mornings performance I say bring them all home now and avoid further embarassment
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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by Boris on Fri 20 Feb 2015, 8:32 am

    Barnstaple Ram wrote:After this mornings performance I say bring them all home now and avoid further embarassment

    Well, not that it would have made much difference, but you can't afford to leave out 2 world class players in Pietersen and Trott...
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    Post by Barnstaple Ram on Fri 20 Feb 2015, 9:03 am

    Boris wrote:
    Barnstaple Ram wrote:After this mornings performance I say bring them all home now and avoid further embarassment

    Well, not that it would have made much difference, but you can't afford to leave out 2 world class players in Pietersen and Trott...

    Agreed and I personally would have Hales opening and Treadwell as the spinner
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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by RRC on Fri 20 Feb 2015, 9:11 am

    The match was played in as near English conditions as you can get outside England and NZ don't
    have any demon fast bowlers just normal swing, yet we go from bad to worse. We can't bat
    sensibly or slog successfully and the bowling has gone rapidly downhill.

    Despite moving the dates of next Ashes series to allow time for a proper preparation for the World
    Cup, we have got much worse not better.

    Are the players so bad when they play for their counties? Is county ODI cricket utterly substandard?
    If so, the ECB and the counties are to blame for outdated coaching standards and for providing pitches
    that don't test the batsmen or produce quality bowlers. Genuine spinners, as opposed to slow bowlers, get
    no help at all - everything is geared to medium paced trundlers and ensuring that matches don't end early.

    Moores was a failure when he coached England before, so why appoint him again?
    Saker hasn't improved our bowling at all and his tactics, if the bowlers are following them,
    are worse than useless. There seems to be a concentration on over analysis and rigid
    plans set in stone, as favoured by Andy Flower, rather than adjusting to what's actually
    happening on the field. Our players seem to be becoming paralysed by fear.

    It was time for a clear out from top to bottom at the ECB after the pathetic performance in
    the last Ashes series but it didn't happen, apart from the vindictive sacking of Pietersen.

    Now they really need to wield the axe starting with Flower, Downton, Moores and Saker.



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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by New England Ram on Fri 20 Feb 2015, 12:29 pm

    Look at the bright side at least we won't lose in the knock out stage in a heart breaking bowl out .



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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by bramhallram on Fri 20 Feb 2015, 5:25 pm

    New England Ram wrote:Look at the bright side at least we won't lose in the knock out stage in a heart breaking bowl out .

    On the other hand, we play Scotland next...


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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by Stockport Ram on Fri 20 Feb 2015, 5:48 pm

    Pietersen is cricket's version of Balotelli, but with more talent.

    I wouldn't have either anywhere NEAR my team. We have missed Trott, he can play at one day pace although not his natural game.

    Hales has to open, surely?


    It appears to be a complete shambles, and the leadership team have to take the blame.


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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by Boris on Fri 06 Mar 2015, 12:13 pm

    Been thinking what my starting England 50 over X1 would be..think I would go:

    Trott
    Ali
    Pietersen
    Bell (Capt)
    Root
    Stokes
    Butler
    Rashid
    Jordan
    Broad
    Finn

    What would yours be? This World Cup seems to be dragging along at a snails pace.......
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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by RRC on Fri 06 Mar 2015, 1:11 pm

    Today's match has got more interesting.
    India were coasting towards West Indies' lowly total of 182 but they're losing wickets
    regularly now. If WI fielding was less slapdash, they'd have a decent chance of an upset.

    Sack Flower, Downton, Whittaker, Moores, Saker and the laptop analysts first.
    Employ a coach who has a clue about current international ODIs.
    Clear out the dead wood (Anderson, Bell, Bopara, Broad and Morgan).
    Add some really big hitters with a decent strike rate in a sensible batting order.
    Get some variety in the bowling (not just the same old right arm medium fast).
    Something like -

    1 A Hales / JJ Roy
    2 M Ali
    3 J Buttler (wk)
    4 J Root
    5 J Vince (capt)
    6 B Stokes
    7 C Woakes / C Jordan
    8 J Tredwell
    9 L Plunkett / S Finn
    10 S Parry / are there any promising left arm spinners?
    11 H Gurney / M Fottit /other left arm seamer?

    That squad certainly wouldn't set the world on fire, but they might be a basis for playing
    ODIs in this decade, instead of being 20 years behind the times.



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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by RRC on Mon 09 Mar 2015, 11:44 am

    OUT!

    All out for 260 (Bangladesh 275-7) and out of the World Cup.

    This is England's worst performance in World Cups since 1996.

    If they fail to beat Afghanistan on Friday, it will be the worst ever.



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    Post by bramhallram on Mon 09 Mar 2015, 5:00 pm

    Beyond pathetic. An absolute shambles of a performance. Again.

    Cruising at 97-1, on the floor at 132-5 a short while later.

    Time for a clear out, starting with Moores and Morgan.

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    Post by Boris on Mon 09 Mar 2015, 5:58 pm

    With the limited talent we have you have to pick your best players.......
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    Post by Angus on Mon 09 Mar 2015, 7:44 pm

    Boris wrote:With the limited talent we have you have to pick your best players.......

    I think there is plenty of talent but poor management has led to this debacle. Going into game after game with four right arm seam bowlers similar pace and style is a batsman's dream on flat decks, no variety, no proper spinner, no left-arm bowlers, not even a shorter skiddy bowler, Morgan was as uninspiring a captain choice as Cook and Moores has failed once, to bring him back was akin to Paul Jewell coming back to Derby.

    Plenty of SKY money in the game but largely wasted, England take a small army of support staff wherever they go for no result, all they must do is confuse each other.
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    Post by RRC on Mon 09 Mar 2015, 8:23 pm

    There's a good article analysing England's many problems by the excellent George Dobell
    in Cricinfo - everything from coaching at Loughbrorough to top management . . .


    A couple of months ago, Stuart Broad gave a press conference looking forward to the
    World Cup. At it he stated that England would have to "have an absolute stinker" if they
    were not going to reach the quarter-finals.

    Broad could not have put it more accurately. After five games, England have been
    well-beaten four times and are eliminated alongside the likes of the UAE, Scotland and
    Afghanistan. In the history of a team that has endured more than its share of ignominy,
    this may yet come to be ranked as the lowest point.

    But we're fools if we're surprised. England came into the tournament having not won an
    ODI series for more than a year. They had lost two of their last three ODIs against
    Bangladesh (it is now three of four). They have a grim World Cup record going back to
    their defeat in the final of 1992, having won only five matches in six tournaments against
    teams from the top eight of the Test rankings.
    Failure is not an aberration; it is a recurring theme.

    And they have not just been beaten. They were thrashed by Australia, humiliated by New
    Zealand - never have they lost an ODI with more deliveries remaining unused - and
    comfortably defeated by Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. It would be disingenuous to claim that
    poor fortune - Chris Jordan's run out decision in this match or James Anderson's at the
    MCG - contributed. England were second best on every occasion.


    Yet they were extended every advantage. The ECB rescheduled the Ashes so they could
    commit all their preparation time to this tournament. They arranged five months of ODIs
    as a lead-up. They were party to the scheduling of the tournament that rendered it most
    unlikely that they could be eliminated at this stage and their wealth - the facilities, the
    support, the coaching - is the envy of just about every team that has beaten them.
    They have no excuses.

    Senior players in the current team must take some responsibility. Eoin Morgan has been
    out for a duck five times in nine innings, while Ian Bell has only four centuries to show
    from his 160 ODIs. James Anderson has hardly swung a ball in the tournament and Broad,
    a tail-end batsman and fast-medium seamer by international standards, is now at the
    stage where there are doubts over his future. None of them can complain if they are
    dropped.

    Read the rest of the article at Cricinfo



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    Re: Cricket World Cup

    Post by Boris on Mon 09 Mar 2015, 9:55 pm

    Angus wrote:
    Boris wrote:With the limited talent we have you have to pick your best players.......

    I think there is plenty of talent but poor management has led to this debacle. Going into game after game with four right arm seam bowlers similar pace and style is a batsman's dream on flat decks, no variety, no proper spinner, no left-arm bowlers, not even a shorter skiddy bowler, Morgan was as uninspiring a captain choice as Cook and Moores has failed once, to bring him back was akin to Paul Jewell coming back to Derby.

    Plenty of SKY money in the game but largely wasted, England take a small army of support staff wherever they go for no result, all they must do is confuse each other.

    Quite like that analogy Angus....

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