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    Will Roy bottle it

    Post by swadieram on Sat 11 Jun 2016, 7:18 pm

    No Vardy !
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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by derbygee on Sat 11 Jun 2016, 9:24 pm

    like watching Derby, good first half poor second half so far
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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by derbygee on Sat 11 Jun 2016, 9:47 pm

    who didn't see that coming?
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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Sat 11 Jun 2016, 10:25 pm

    more positive than our normal capitulation in major tournaments. We played well and deserved to win. No time for panic yet in my opinion.
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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by New England Ram on Sun 12 Jun 2016, 5:42 am

    Could have and should have started with two up top against that lot.
    Certainly should have got Vardy on for a tired Kane with ten minutes to go he would have been a great outlet to kill of any potential pressure.



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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by old ewe on Sun 12 Jun 2016, 7:54 am

    derbygee wrote:who didn't see that coming?


    As Rams fans it was an all too familiar ending !!

    Afraid
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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by casinoram on Sun 12 Jun 2016, 8:55 am

    Crap substitutions when you're in control of the game !!!

    A team who haven't threatened at all during 80+ minutes so you settle for a 1-0 and invite them on to you!!

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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by purpleram on Sun 12 Jun 2016, 9:19 am

    It did look like a typical Derby performance, very pretty, but when you analyse it 'toothless' and ultimately disappointing.
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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Sun 12 Jun 2016, 9:46 am

    This is the disappointment talking surely. We are so used to moaning being Derby fans, that we think it's normal.

    It was a good opening performance, the players played well apart from Harry Kane and Raheem Sterling in my opinion and the formation worked well. The only disappointment for me was the result but on this occassion you have to look beyond that.
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    Post by CornwallRam on Sun 12 Jun 2016, 9:56 am

    purpleram wrote:It did look like a typical Derby performance, very pretty, but when you analyse it 'toothless' and ultimately disappointing.  

    I was thinking that too. I wonder if the formation has anything to do with that?

    I wonder if anyone other than Hodgson thinks that it is a good idea for Kane to be taking the set pieces instead of being in the box trying to get on the end of them?
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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by purpleram on Sun 12 Jun 2016, 10:20 am

    It's madness, the only goals in the team based on last season are Kane and to a much lesser extent Ali, and Kane takes the corners???? And not that effectively if I'm honest.
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    Post by thatguyfromderby on Sun 12 Jun 2016, 12:26 pm

    We were desperately unlucky to leave without the 3 points. It was very much like a Derby performance.
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    Post by New England Ram on Sun 12 Jun 2016, 1:17 pm

    purpleram wrote:It's madness, the only goals in the team based on last season are Kane and to a much lesser extent Ali, and Kane takes the corners???? And not that effectively if I'm honest.

    I worked out the corner thing.
    The plan was for Kane to take the first ten ( all crap) and then they would have someone else take number eleven .
    The Russians would forget all about Kane and not Mark him and he would score with a open header at the back post..

    Tactical genius.



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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by New England Ram on Sun 12 Jun 2016, 1:21 pm

    Loughborough Ram wrote:This is the disappointment talking surely. We are so used to moaning being Derby fans, that we think it's normal.

    It was a good opening performance, the players played well apart from Harry Kane and Raheem Sterling in my opinion and the formation worked well. The only disappointment for me was the result but on this occassion you have to look beyond that.

    Agree it was a pretty good performance Loughie.
    But poor use of substitutions...although as much as I hate the midget from Arsenal he did look good. should have added speed up top as soon as we went up...imo.




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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by rjrules71 on Sun 12 Jun 2016, 3:21 pm

    Loughborough Ram wrote:This is the disappointment talking surely. We are so used to moaning being Derby fans, that we think it's normal.

    It was a good opening performance, the players played well apart from Harry Kane and Raheem Sterling in my opinion and the formation worked well. The only disappointment for me was the result but on this occassion you have to look beyond that.

    Agreed lost count of the dead ends and piss poor crosses from RS

    Kane was a 4 for me

    Why leave Vardy out against such a pedestrian defence only Woy will know that one

    otherwise not to dusty a performance and a chance to get the nerves sorted before we play the real games



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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by derbygee on Sun 12 Jun 2016, 8:47 pm

    I thought Rooney was doing a good job, Sterling and LLalalad did nothing for me. I'd like to see him go for it and play 442 with Vardy and Sturridge or Kane up top and Alli Rooney Dier LLalalad behind them.
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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by Angus on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 8:53 am

    As stated before very Derby like performance tactically as well, dominant in the first-half less so in the second, some improvement from 2 years ago but not enough to suggest England can trouble the best teams although they should make the quarter finals.

    I don't think Hodgson helped himself with the typical big club bias in selection, Morgan and Drinkwater shouldn't just be in the squad they would improve the team. No real leader at the back and although Rooney did well with time and space I am not convinced he can do the job in midfield for too many games before he gets exposed. Starting playing midfield at 30 is a big ask.

    Some good prospects have come in in Kane, Alli and Dier but still a few weak areas particularly at the back and the keeper is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is, caught nowhere on that speculative cross, one big thing to do and he failed, although his hair looked very nice as the ball sailed past him.
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    Post by valakari on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 10:47 am

    Angus wrote:As stated before very Derby like performance tactically as well, dominant in the first-half less so in the second, some improvement from 2 years ago but not enough to suggest England can trouble the best teams although they should make the quarter finals.

    I don't think Hodgson helped himself with the typical big club bias in selection, Morgan and Drinkwater shouldn't just be in the squad they would improve the team. No real leader at the back and although Rooney did well with time and space I am not convinced he can do the job in midfield for too many games before he gets exposed. Starting playing midfield at 30 is a big ask.

    Some good prospects have come in in Kane, Alli and Dier but still a few weak areas particularly at the back and the keeper is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is, caught nowhere on that speculative cross, one big thing to do and he failed, although his hair looked very nice as the ball sailed past him.
    Don't think Morgan should be anywhere near the squad..unless of course his caps for Jamaica are being voided! Bang head
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    Post by MadAmster on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 11:31 am

    So many things to cogitate here.

    Two posters have said typical Derby like performance, good 1st half, poor 2nd. My memory tells me that, last season we typically came out of the blocks slowly and had a better 2nd half performance....

    Morgan for England said another....... followed by the point that he has a shedload of caps for Jamaica. I used to think I understood the qualification rule but then the Russians went and played Roman Neustädter who received his Russian passport 2 days before the squad had to be announced. He has 2 caps for Germany from games in 2012 and 2013........... he subsequently chose Russia at the start of 2016. As an aside, Roman Neustädter was born in the Ukraine....

    Another comment was on Rooney starting a MF career at 30 is a bit late. He isn't. He started in MF at Everton all those years ago and has played there quite a bit for MUFC and has played MF on a couple of occasions previously for England.

    Sterling? Shouldn't be in the squad. Runs like a girl (no offence intended RRC and Cal). He has no end product.

    Kane should be in the box to score not taking free kicks and corners with the exception of free kicks within shooting range.

    A lot of positives in the game going forward but I still feel, as many of us stated when the squad was announced that the defence will cost us any chance of winning the thing. The balance of players selected for the squad (4 x FB and 3 x CD, some of whom can play both roles) was right but the individual quality isn't there. Smalling, for instance, on several occasions, was grabbing a Russian shirt, front and back at corners and free kicks. Before the end of the tournament that will result in a referee doing his job properly and awarding the opposition a free kick. That is, for me, a nailed on cert as UEFA will have told refs to clamp down on us due to off field occurrences. Anything to get England out of the tournament asap....... (Don't you just love a conspiracy theory?)



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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by Angus on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 11:57 am

    valakari wrote:
    Angus wrote:As stated before very Derby like performance tactically as well, dominant in the first-half less so in the second, some improvement from 2 years ago but not enough to suggest England can trouble the best teams although they should make the quarter finals.

    I don't think Hodgson helped himself with the typical big club bias in selection, Morgan and Drinkwater shouldn't just be in the squad they would improve the team. No real leader at the back and although Rooney did well with time and space I am not convinced he can do the job in midfield for too many games before he gets exposed. Starting playing midfield at 30 is a big ask.

    Some good prospects have come in in Kane, Alli and Dier but still a few weak areas particularly at the back and the keeper is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is, caught nowhere on that speculative cross, one big thing to do and he failed, although his hair looked very nice as the ball sailed past him.
    Don't think Morgan should be anywhere near the squad..unless of course his caps for Jamaica are being voided! Bang head

    Sorry I had no idea he played for Jamaica I don't really follow international football that much.
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    Post by Angus on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 12:04 pm

    MadAmster wrote:So many things to cogitate here.

    Two posters have said typical Derby like performance, good 1st half, poor 2nd. My memory tells me that, last season we typically came out of the blocks slowly and had a better 2nd half performance....

    Morgan for England said another....... followed by the point that he has a shedload of caps for Jamaica. I used to think I understood the qualification rule but then the Russians went and played Roman Neustädter who received his Russian passport 2 days before the squad had to be announced. He has 2 caps for Germany from games in 2012 and 2013........... he subsequently chose Russia at the start of 2016. As an aside, Roman Neustädter was born in the Ukraine....

    Another comment was on Rooney starting a MF career at 30 is a bit late. He isn't. He started in MF at Everton all those years ago and has played there quite a bit for MUFC and has played MF on a couple of occasions previously for England.

    Sterling? Shouldn't be in the squad. Runs like a girl (no offence intended RRC and Cal). He has no end product.

    Kane should be in the box to score not taking free kicks and corners with the exception of free kicks within shooting range.

    A lot of positives in the game going forward but I still feel, as many of us stated when the squad was announced that the defence will cost us any chance of winning the thing. The balance of players selected for the squad (4 x FB and 3 x CD, some of whom can play both roles) was right but the individual quality isn't there. Smalling, for instance, on several occasions, was grabbing a Russian shirt, front and back at corners and free kicks. Before the end of the tournament that will result in a referee doing his job properly and awarding the opposition a free kick. That is, for me, a nailed on cert as UEFA will have told refs to clamp down on us due to off field occurrences. Anything to get England out of the tournament asap....... (Don't you just love a conspiracy theory?)

    Rooney has never played regularly as a central midfielder until the last few weeks, Fergie in big European games played him as a wide midfielder when Ronaldo was at United and played Ronaldo up front but Rooney has very rarely played central midfield, can't see that one working against the better teams who have real experience and quality in there.
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    Re: Will Roy bottle it

    Post by purpleram on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 10:20 pm

    I think the Derby comparison has nothing to do with playing well one half or another, more in the fact England dominated the game, looked good without really cutting open the opposition or creating clear cut chances, and ultimately fecking it up. It's the Derby way dontcha know.
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    Post by MadAmster on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:11 am

    purpleram wrote:I think the Derby comparison has nothing to do with playing well one half or another, more in the fact England dominated the game, looked good without really cutting open the opposition or creating clear cut chances, and ultimately fecking it up. It's the Derby way dontcha know.

    If your precis of the game is correct, why did Akinfejev have to make 3 or 4 very good saves?



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    Post by Jackal on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 10:00 am

    Agree with Amster on this. Akinfeev kept them in the game at times along with poor finishing by Lallana.



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    Post by purpleram on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 6:49 pm

    MadAmster wrote:
    purpleram wrote:I think the Derby comparison has nothing to do with playing well one half or another, more in the fact England dominated the game, looked good without really cutting open the opposition or creating clear cut chances, and ultimately fecking it up. It's the Derby way dontcha know.

    If your precis of the game is correct, why did Akinfejev have to make 3 or 4 very good saves?

    He made saves, no Worldies IMO. But 3 or 4 shots on target all game? No great shakes tbh.

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