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    England v Iceland

    Post by RRC on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 4:07 pm

    Here's the Daily Telegraph's forecast for tonight's team -

    England (4-3-3): Hart; Walker, Cahill, Smalling, Rose; Dier, Alli, Rooney; Sturridge, Sterling, Kane

    Based on what you've seen so far, who would you pick?



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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 5:31 pm

    I wouldn't pick Sterling, and I always think that you get more from Sturridge off the bench.

    Unfortunately we now see the problem with Hodgsons squad selection. He only has a badly out of form Sterling when we play teams that defend deep, like every single game we've played so far. I wonder if he regrets leaving Andros Townsend at home in order to shoe horn a 19 year old Man Utd player that's only spent ten minutes on the pitch.
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by thatguyfromderby on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 5:42 pm

    An interesting little tid-bit of information for you regarding Sterling. Guardiola has apparently called him in the last couple of days to let him know he's in his first team plans next season and to relax and enjoy his time with England in the tournament. Maybe this will stop him snapping at his chances/crosses and play the way he was at Liverpool.
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by Stockport Ram on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 7:09 pm

    I'd certainly pick Vardy.
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by MadAmster on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 7:24 pm

    Stockport Ram wrote:I'd certainly pick Vardy.

    I wouldn't as Iceland will defend in numbers and deep too so there won't be the space for him to exploit.
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by New England Ram on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 7:27 pm

    Why not play Sterling on the right and Sturridge on the left rather than have them cutting inside to a packed defense.



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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by MadAmster on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 7:34 pm

    Sturridge is better in a roaming role than as a winger. Sterling, who I don't rate anyway, is also off form so I wouldn't even have him on the bench.
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by New England Ram on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 7:48 pm

    MadAmster wrote:Sturridge is better in a roaming role than as a winger. Sterling, who I don't rate anyway, is also off form so I wouldn't even have him on the bench.

    Well I wouldn't but he has him on the team.
    So at least give him the comfort of not having to cut back every time cause he has no left foot and let Deans nephew float over the left.



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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by New England Ram on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 9:55 pm

    You couldn't make it up.
    It's not like I never expected it.
    But of all the low life England performances I have seen that was the worst ever.
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by rjrules71 on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 9:59 pm

    Out of Europe in every sense now

    Blimey hope the politicians can perform better than that

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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:13 pm

    Fuckin sh*t, got what they deserved. We took free scoring players and coached them to a standstill. Sturridge is a cock sure w*nker who will never be as good as he thinks he is.
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by MadAmster on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:14 pm

    I wrote on FB at HT - the 2 wide men are both on the wrong wing and can only cut inside. Predictable.

    Then the last 5 minutes. Effort, urgency, Where was that the previous 89.........

    No complaints from me. England didn't deserve to win on tonight's performance.
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by Stockport Ram on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:14 pm

    MadAmster wrote:
    Stockport Ram wrote:I'd certainly pick Vardy.

    I wouldn't as Iceland will defend in numbers and deep too so there won't be the space for him to exploit.

    Sadly, we'll never know.... He does so much more than merely chase balls over the top.
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by Stockport Ram on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:15 pm

    New England Ram wrote:Why not play Sterling on the right and Sturridge on the left rather than have them cutting inside to a packed defense.

    More and more like Derby every day !
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by KeoghKeogh on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:19 pm

    Stockport Ram wrote:
    New England Ram wrote:Why not play Sterling on the right and Sturridge on the left rather than have them cutting inside to a packed defense.

    More and more like Derby every day !

    A lot of Tom Inces and too few Johnny Russells.

    Middlesborough or Wednesday would have beaten Iceland tonight.

    Odds on the new manager?

    It won't be him, but Diego Simeone would see us win the next tournament.

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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by Barnstaple Ram on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:21 pm

    Defence shit
    Midfield shit
    Forwards shit
    Substitutes shit
    Management shit shit shit

    Overall shit
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by purpleram on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:27 pm

    The poor control, under and over hit 'simple' passes, more Russell than Ince.

    Hodgson was always a weak man stuck in the past. His insane decisions, Kane taking corners, Sterling even going to France, let alone being picked, Wilshire above Drinkwater or someone else in form, Rashford not being rewarded with minutes for excellent cameos.
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by KeoghKeogh on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:34 pm

    purpleram wrote:The poor control, under and over hit 'simple' passes, more Russell than Ince.

    Hodgson was always a weak man stuck in the past. His insane decisions, Kane taking corners, Sterling even going to France, let alone being picked, Wilshire above Drinkwater or someone else in form, Rashford not being rewarded with minutes for excellent cameos.

    The 'Ince' bit for me was the constant hiding of too many players when we had the ball and their disinterest when they didn't have it / lack of effort to win it back when they lost it.

    There were few exceptions.

    The dire control wasn't helped by the lack of any decent movement or options.
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by Stockport Ram on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 10:55 pm

    KeoghKeogh wrote:
    purpleram wrote:The poor control, under and over hit 'simple' passes, more Russell than Ince.

    Hodgson was always a weak man stuck in the past. His insane decisions, Kane taking corners, Sterling even going to France, let alone being picked, Wilshire above Drinkwater or someone else in form, Rashford not being rewarded with minutes for excellent cameos.

    The 'Ince' bit for me was the constant hiding of too many players when we had the ball and their disinterest when they didn't have it / lack of effort to win it back when they lost it.

    There were few exceptions.

    The dire control wasn't helped by the lack of any decent movement or options.

    Exactly what I first thought when I read that, KK. I equated JR as a less skillful Vardy, chasing and harrying, showing generally legal passion and just lifting the team.

    England are so much like Derby under Wassell, and to a lesser extent Clement. No real width, wingers on the wrong side. slow, slow. slow-slow-slow, only one intelligent central defender, and full backs who are better going forward than defending.

    Dier can't pick a pass as well as George though !
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:17 pm

    At least he had the good grace to resign rather than hanging on for a payout
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by outsider on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:33 pm

    I'm not going to comment Stirring the pot
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by LeedsRam on Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:40 pm

    That was good wasn't it. I don't really know where to start.

    The manager has let us down very badly, from squad selection before the euros to bizarre team selection and poor coaching at it. If i had my way most of those players wouldn't play for England again because they have proved beyond doubt that they don't have the bottle for it. rashford had more about him in 4 minutes than the rest put together. Wankers the lot of them.

    Harry Kane's free kicks and corners were so bad as to be astonishing. I would be surprised to see such a lack of quality from any pub team on a Sunday. Myself and Angus, and many others on here, picked up on it after the Wales game - Hart is a very poor goalkeeper who can't handle the pressure. He should have been nowhere near the team.

    I could go on and on. That was so bad as to be a complete and utter embarrassment. where do you start?

    Roy Hodgson has earned £14 million pounds in the 4 years he has managed England. Astonishing how incompetence is rewarded in football.

    My biggest regret is that Derby didn't get promoted so I will miss out on my chance to roundly boo that shower of shit next season. Carlton Palmer would have improved that team. How sad is that.

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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by SawleyRam on Tue 28 Jun 2016, 12:05 am

    But still nobody has mentioned the real problem England face in as much too much money in the Premiership buys too many overpriced foreign players who restricts our genuine talent to too little playing time on the pitch and therefore the experience to step up to international level.

    A couple of injuries leave our squad well short of talented depth and when youngsters like Sterling and Kane lose form and Rooney has to play the "old wise head" role we have no answer. The manager had rolled his dice at kick off time, there are only three substitutions in a game.

    There was nobody out there tonight who had the nous to change a formation/style that was not working against a team that was prepared to run through brick walls to achieve their target.

    Well done Iceland, you deserved it tonight. Good luck against the host nation.
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    Post by outsider on Tue 28 Jun 2016, 12:21 am

    SawleyRam wrote:But still nobody has mentioned the real problem England face in as much too much money in the Premiership buys too many overpriced foreign players who restricts our genuine talent to too little playing time on the pitch and therefore the experience to step up to international level.

    A couple of injuries leave our squad well short of talented depth and when youngsters like Sterling and Kane lose form and Rooney has to play the "old wise head" role we have no answer. The manager had rolled his dice at kick off time, there are only three substitutions in a game.

    There was nobody out there tonight who had the nous to change a formation/style that was not working against a team that was prepared to run through brick walls to achieve their target.

    Well done Iceland, you deserved it tonight. Good luck against the host nation.


    England short on talented depth Anger what you think Iceland have Dunno look at northern Ireland and Wales who have players not good enough to get in to a championship side.

    England huffed and puffed and got no where and as game went on you could see panic setting in..... by the way Iceland gave you a goal start.

    England has a deep routed problem ,
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    Re: England v Iceland

    Post by RRC on Tue 28 Jun 2016, 12:54 am

    SawleyRam wrote: too many overpriced foreign players who restricts our genuine talent to too little playing time on the pitch

    Too many matches is more of a problem, especially for the younger ones. They
    don't seem to have time to develop their skills and tactical understanding - or
    they aren't bothered because they're big-time charlies.

    They play far more than, say, France, Germany or Italy, so our players are hardly
    fresh and raring to go - and, unlike other countries, there's no winter break.
    Here are the number of games some of them played last season before the Euro Cup -
    62 Smalling
    58 Dier
    57 Lallana
    56 Kane
    54 Hart
    52 Alli

    The real problem is that our young players don't seem to learn much or go on improving
    once they get into a Prem team. Their limitations are masked, because they're surrounded
    by foreign players with superior skills and tactical intelligence who make things happen.

    When they form a whole team, without the support of better players, they haven't much
    idea what to do or the self reliance to make things happen. Very often when they get the
    ball they have to pause, look around them and think before passing - and their passing is
    often very inaccurate. They don't have the sense to move to good positions to receive the
    ball either. So our play is slow and very predictable.




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