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    Sam Allardyce

    Post by SawleyRam on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 3:14 pm

    Is this the sound of bottom barrel scraping?

    http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/13/ib-why-sam-allardyce-could-actually-be-a-good-appointment-for-en/?
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by New England Ram on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 3:19 pm

    We have tried everything else.
    Nothing to lose at this moment imo.
    Figure at the end of the day he won't be backwards at calling a **** a ****.
    Will have a basic game plan and will stick to it.

    My choice would be Klinsman but big Sam will represent us well sat back in his lazy boy chewing gum.



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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 3:32 pm

    I think he's lucky, he has a squad as good as we've had for a long while.

    He is also taking over at a time when horrible defensive football seems to be the way forward if the Euros are anything to go by, look at Wales for example, so why not. We've tried the 'top coach' approach, we've tried the 'top foreigner' approach so lets try the 'up and at em' approach with a big slice of defensive pragmatism, after all he is unlikely to get these players performing any worse collectively than the last f*ckin idiot.
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by Stockport Ram on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 3:55 pm

    To be fair to Sam, he has always thought that he is good enough to manage any of the biggest clubs in the world.

    Fortunately for them, none have agreed with him.
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by thatguyfromderby on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 5:51 pm

    Sam is great at motivating low level teams to be greater than the sum of their parts. We are nothing if not a low level team that thinks it's better than the sum of its parts. I'm genuinely not sure we have anything to lose, as long as he continues to help brig the youth players through.

    The likes of Nolan and Drinkwater (I.e. In form players) would at the very least get picked by him.
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by purpleram on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 8:14 pm

    Another retrograde step, when will they stop playing it safe. Klingsman would also be my choice.
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by bramhallram on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 8:39 pm

    England has not been a serious competitor at football tournaments since 1996. All the managers since Venables have failed to find the right combination of players, formations and tactics.

    It's hard to see how Allardyce could be any worse.

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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 8:43 pm

    I wouldn't be opposed to Klinsman either, however everybody I have heard speaking about him said that he isn't a coach and that he would need a coach working alongside him.

    Apparently he is great at developing the ethos of the side and bringing about the changes necessary but he needs somebody who is hands on to put his methods into practice. I have heard this from Germans, Americans as well as English people who know about him.
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by SawleyRam on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 10:02 pm

    bramhallram wrote:England has not been a serious competitor at football tournaments since 1996. All the managers since Venables have failed to find the right combination of players, formations and tactics.

    It's hard to see how Allardyce could be any worse.

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    It's also hard to see how Allardyce could be any better!
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 10:07 pm

    It is obvious that he could get this group of players playing better than they did in the euros Sawl.

    Hodgson made a terrible job of managing this team in this tournament, he played the wrong system, and the wrong players in the wrong positions within that system. I bet Allardyce would have got at least two of those elements right.
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by ShardlowSheep on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 11:02 pm

    Wouldn't be over the moon with big Sam but if we want English there isn't much to choose from
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by New England Ram on Thu 14 Jul 2016, 12:45 am

    Loughborough Ram wrote:It is obvious that he could get this group of players playing better than they did in the euros Sawl.

    Hodgson made a terrible job of managing this team in this tournament, he played the wrong system, and the wrong players in the wrong positions within that system. I bet Allardyce would have got at least two of those elements right.

    Totally agree...square pegs round holes and all that.



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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by outsider on Thu 14 Jul 2016, 7:11 am

    ShardlowSheep wrote:Wouldn't be over the moon with big Sam but if we want English there isn't much to choose from

    Agree, there is not many decent English mangers available with out going down the leagues.... What is every ones thought on klinsman  ?
    He would get respect from players done reasonably well in USA .

    On big sam , he could not do any worse than Hodgson. What england need is some one who can get the team to play together and gee them up for england. Lets face it, you have a team that should do lot better and after wanting the job for decades it wouldn't surprise me him doing well.

    Bit like that team in euros who only have to stars and ready are championship players who don't play regular but got all way to semi finals ....    ;)
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by MadAmster on Thu 14 Jul 2016, 10:39 am

    I humbly suggest that I could gee the buggers up and get a good shift out of them. As could several others on here. Problem is we don't have the right "sustificuts"



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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by derbygee on Thu 14 Jul 2016, 3:17 pm

    thatguyfromderby wrote:Sam is great at motivating low level teams to be greater than the sum of their parts. We are nothing if not a low level team that thinks it's better than the sum of its parts. I'm genuinely not sure we have anything to lose, as long as he continues to help brig the youth players through.

    The likes of Nolan and Drinkwater (I.e. In form players) would at the very least get picked by him.

    I'm with you mate. With a bit of luck he'll be true to himself and pick on ability to do the job he wants rather than reputation and/or fear of losing without picking the celebrity that is this month's flavour.

    Blank sheet with best player for each position in that position.

    Also I'd like to see u21 play u21 and u18 play u18 means sacrificing good youngsters at 2 full age tournaments in order to get appropriate experience into them without over playing them.
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by purpleram on Thu 14 Jul 2016, 9:03 pm

    At least with his dodgy reputation, however well he does at Derby, the Vicars who pick the England manager wouldn't touch Pearson with a shitty stick.
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by bramhallram on Fri 15 Jul 2016, 9:33 am

    SawleyRam wrote:
    bramhallram wrote:England has not been a serious competitor at football tournaments since 1996. All the managers since Venables have failed to find the right combination of players, formations and tactics.

    It's hard to see how Allardyce could be any worse.

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    It's also hard to see how Allardyce could be any better!

    Hard to see how Allardyce could be any better ? Are you serious ? He'd be much better if all he did was pick fit, in-form players and play them in their correct positions. That small step would be a massive improvement on Hodgson's totally inept performance at Euro 2016.

    People say Allardyce is only good at managing teams in mid-table or lower. Well, in international terms that's just what this England team is. In fact, probably not even mid-table, so he should be a good choice.

    The fact is we have too many players who think that because they play in the PL they're much better than they are, only to find they can't deliver on the big stage. It's high time we had a no-nonsense manager who can sort out the prima donnas and create a side that knows how to win.  

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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by CornwallRam on Fri 15 Jul 2016, 10:02 am

    bramhallram wrote:
    SawleyRam wrote:
    bramhallram wrote:England has not been a serious competitor at football tournaments since 1996. All the managers since Venables have failed to find the right combination of players, formations and tactics.

    It's hard to see how Allardyce could be any worse.

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    It's also hard to see how Allardyce could be any better!

    Hard to see how Allardyce could be any better ? Are you serious ? He'd be much better if all he did was pick fit, in-form players and play them in their correct positions. That small step would be a massive improvement on Hodgson's totally inept performance at Euro 2016.

    People say Allardyce is only good at managing teams in mid-table or lower. Well, in international terms that's just what this England team is. In fact, probably not even mid-table, so he should be a good choice.

    The fact is we have too many players who think that because they play in the PL they're much better than they are, only to find they can't deliver on the big stage. It's high time we had a no-nonsense manager who can sort out the prima donnas and create a side that knows how to win.  

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    And I'd just like to add...actually there's nothing more I can say. Super post Bram, and I agree with every word. Clapping
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by purpleram on Fri 15 Jul 2016, 10:15 am

    So we think Allardyce should get it because he's better than Hodgson. I agree he is, but can't we aim higher?
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Fri 15 Jul 2016, 10:18 am

    Who do you reckon Purps, cos there isn't a massive list of options.
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by purpleram on Fri 15 Jul 2016, 10:27 am

    I agree the Wells quite dry, but Klinsman, Klopp even Pardew or Howe inspire me more. Pochettino?
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by CornwallRam on Fri 15 Jul 2016, 10:47 am

    purpleram wrote:So we think Allardyce should get it because he's better than Hodgson. I agree he is, but can't we aim higher?

    No, I think that Allardyce should get it because he's good at getting the best out of average players, and that's what England have.
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by purpleram on Fri 15 Jul 2016, 11:29 am

    I don't agree, we have some good players that a bad manager failed to get anything out of.
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Fri 15 Jul 2016, 11:35 am

    purpleram wrote:I don't agree, we have some good players that a bad manager failed to get anything out of.

    That is also how I feel. This is the best chance a new England manager has had for decades. The normal situation is a manager taking over a whole squad that is too old and needs evolving but this time we have a young promising squad who weren't given the opportunity to show what they could because of an overly cautious managerwho felt he had to select certain players regardless of their form
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    Re: Sam Allardyce

    Post by purpleram on Thu 21 Jul 2016, 7:30 am

    Well it looks like Sam's the man, underwhelmed, but it is what it is!

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