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    SawleyRam

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    When is a manager not a manager?

    Post by SawleyRam on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 12:03 pm

    In his post-match interview, new England boss Sam Allardyce said it was "not for me to say" where Rooney should play and said the Manchester United forward could play "wherever he wanted".

    WTF! What did Big Sam mean by that remark? Is the team run by a committee or a manager? If that remark is true then we know why other managers have failed.


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    Re: When is a manager not a manager?

    Post by bramhallram on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 2:27 pm

    SawleyRam wrote:In his post-match interview, new England boss Sam Allardyce said it was "not for me to say" where Rooney should play and said the Manchester United forward could play "wherever he wanted".

    WTF! What did Big Sam mean by that remark? Is the team run by a committee or a manager? If that remark is true then we know why other managers have failed.

    It seems that when it comes to picking an England team Allardyce is just as star struck as some of his  predecessors, notably Eriksson with Beckham. His remarks about who should decide where Rooney plays beggar belief.

    As he demonstrated against Slovakia, Rooney is NOT a midfielder and shouldn't be playing there. If in doubt ask Jose Mourinho.

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    Re: When is a manager not a manager?

    Post by MadAmster on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 3:15 pm

    Not altogether sure here that the words Sam used were the right ones, in the right order, to convey his actual meaning. If he meant that Rooney has a free role between MF and the strikers then I can just about see the why and the wherefore.

    If he means anything else than that then sack him NOW!!!



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    Re: When is a manager not a manager?

    Post by old ewe on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 3:59 pm

    SHilts is right. There is a right time to go. He was NO captain when the team fell apart against Iceland. Because of that he should not be captain now.
    It's difficult but it needs to be done. And the team should NOT be determined by the need to fit him in and accommodate his aging .
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    Re: When is a manager not a manager?

    Post by rob on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 5:56 pm

    But he sells the most shirts for the FA

    Every manager picks players on global reputation rather than form or fitting into a team

    That is why I do not give a flying eff about Eng-er-land anymore - over rated over paid shite
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    Re: When is a manager not a manager?

    Post by ShardlowSheep on Tue 06 Sep 2016, 10:09 pm

    Shilton was right in the media today that Rooney should have retired after the euros. Or better still told by the England manager that he is not good enough to get picked anymore. Same old story with Emgland managers pick a team on reputation not form or picking a balanced side
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    Re: When is a manager not a manager?

    Post by Stockport Ram on Wed 07 Sep 2016, 7:02 am

    ShardlowSheep wrote:Shilton was right in the media today that Rooney should have retired after the euros. Or better still told by the England manager that he is not good enough to get picked anymore. Same old story with Emgland managers pick a team on reputation not form or picking a balanced side

    He's never quite been the same in an England shirt since he limped off V Portugal (IIRC?) in Euro 2004.

    2004? Good God, that's nearly 13 years ago. Whilst his international goalscoring record is laudable, his ratio is nowhere near Lineker's or Greaves' - ironically since '04 he has been lucky with injuries and the lack of any real consistent alternative has enabled him to rack up appearances.

    A case of what might have been, for me. He really could have been a world great if he had looked after his body in the early years like he clearly does now.
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    Post by derbygee on Wed 07 Sep 2016, 12:00 pm

    Shilts is 100% right but his timing stinks. If anybody but the guy who's record Rooney is closing in on had said it there would have been a huge shit storm in the press but I'm afraid because it is Shilton it will just fizzle out as a bad case of sour grapes.

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