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    Ince's agent (or is it his dad) marketing technique

    Post by SawleyRam on Mon 10 Apr 2017, 10:06 pm

    I don't recognise him from this description...............

    http://the4thofficial.net/2017/04/west-bromwich-albion-leave-no-stone-unturned-sign-derby-county-midfielder/
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    Post by RRC on Mon 10 Apr 2017, 11:50 pm

    SawleyRam wrote:I don't recognise him from this description...............

    http://the4thofficial.net/2017/04/west-bromwich-albion-leave-no-stone-unturned-sign-derby-county-midfielder/

    I wouldn't set much store by anything on that website. I'm sure that players' agents wouldn't waste their
    time planting stories on this type of site, when there are so many newspaper journalists eager for stories
    for the press and the bigger, more reputable websites.

    That is one of many sites with new articles every day about lots of clubs saying who they should buy and sell.
    It's pretty obvious that the writers just make up stuff as "click bait". The number of visits pays for the site,
    because they get a small sum from each advertiser. It must produce some profit or they wouldn't keep on
    posting this drivel.



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    Post by asotrsott on Tue 11 Apr 2017, 4:57 am

    Work Rate???.... Whatever Stirring the pot
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    Post by MadAmster on Tue 11 Apr 2017, 7:49 am

    Even if we forget the reason behind bullshit stories to generate internet views (aka advertising revenue), there is one glaring reason why this has to be taken with a gritting lorry load of salt..... with the best will in the world there is no way you could brand Ince as a "Pulis type of player".

    Whether it's football,politics or whatever, these days the mantra is not find the truth and publish it, it has become think of something and publish it. It doesn't have to be true. All that matters is that you are first. There are enough eejits out there who will believe it.




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    Post by Sydney Smooth on Tue 11 Apr 2017, 11:48 am

    What a load of Grade 'A' crap, in my opinion Incey Wincey will never be a 100% committed team player as long as he has a hole in his backside, he may occasionally score goals but he is so predictable, 99% of the time he will shoot rather than pass to a team-mate, if confronted by an opponent he will invariably move the ball on to his left foot and endeavour to come inside the opponent and is therefore easily sussed by opponents.

    He tracks back and helps out the defence when it suits him, his heading ability is virtually non-existent and his general attitude appears to me to be 'I'm Mr Wonderful pass it to me', if things are not going right for the team he is one of the first to go missing.

    So, get in there Mr Pulis, fill yer boots and take the Prima Donna off our hands, I'm sure there are many players out there who could take his place in our team at a fraction of his wages.

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    Post by Stockport Ram on Tue 11 Apr 2017, 12:07 pm

    Sydney Smooth wrote:What a load of Grade 'A' crap, in my opinion Incey Wincey will never be a 100% committed team player as long as he has a hole in his backside, he may occasionally  score goals but he is so predictable, 99% of the time he will shoot rather than pass to a team-mate, if confronted by an opponent he will invariably move the ball on to his left foot and endeavour to come inside the opponent and is therefore easily sussed by opponents.

    He tracks back and helps out the defence when it suits him, his heading ability is virtually non-existent and his general attitude appears to me to be 'I'm Mr Wonderful pass it to me', if things are not going right for the team he is one of the first to go missing.

    So, get in there Mr Pulis, fill yer boots and take the Prima Donna off our hands, I'm sure there are many players out there who could take his place in our team at a fraction of his wages.



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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Tue 11 Apr 2017, 2:42 pm

    It's so poorly written, it reminded me of one of those e-mails you get from a nigerian prince who wants your bank details so that he can transfer you £100m
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    Post by Stockport Ram on Tue 11 Apr 2017, 2:45 pm

    Loughborough Ram wrote:It's so poorly written, it reminded me of one of those e-mails you get from a nigerian prince who wants your bank details so that he can transfer you £100m


    ...He seemed a nice enough chap, AND he promised me a receipt... Waiting
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    Post by Rams bottom on Tue 11 Apr 2017, 2:50 pm

    Stockport Ram wrote:
    Sydney Smooth wrote:What a load of Grade 'A' crap, in my opinion Incey Wincey will never be a 100% committed team player as long as he has a hole in his backside, he may occasionally  score goals but he is so predictable, 99% of the time he will shoot rather than pass to a team-mate, if confronted by an opponent he will invariably move the ball on to his left foot and endeavour to come inside the opponent and is therefore easily sussed by opponents.

    He tracks back and helps out the defence when it suits him, his heading ability is virtually non-existent and his general attitude appears to me to be 'I'm Mr Wonderful pass it to me', if things are not going right for the team he is one of the first to go missing.


    So, get in there Mr Pulis, fill yer boots and take the Prima Donna off our hands, I'm sure there are many players out there who could take his place in our team at a fraction of his wages.



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    Stockport Ram wrote:
    Sydney Smooth wrote:What a load of Grade 'A' crap, in my opinion Incey Wincey will never be a 100% committed team player as long as he has a hole in his backside, he may occasionally  score goals but he is so predictable, 99% of the time he will shoot rather than pass to a team-mate, if confronted by an opponent he will invariably move the ball on to his left foot and endeavour to come inside the opponent and is therefore easily sussed by opponents.

    He tracks back and helps out the defence when it suits him, his heading ability is virtually non-existent and his general attitude appears to me to be 'I'm Mr Wonderful pass it to me', if things are not going right for the team he is one of the first to go missing.


    So, get in there Mr Pulis, fill yer boots and take the Prima Donna off our hands, I'm sure there are many players out there who could take his place in our team at a fraction of his wages.



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    Post by valakari on Tue 11 Apr 2017, 3:24 pm

    I bet all you Ince haters are the same Russell lovers....
    FFS...14 goals v 2
    5 assists v 1
    Blinded by appearing to run more..which actually i doubt as well.
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    Post by Stockport Ram on Tue 11 Apr 2017, 3:38 pm

    valakari wrote:I bet all you Ince haters are the same Russell lovers....
    FFS...14 goals v 2
    5 assists v 1
    Blinded by appearing to run more..which actually i doubt as well.
    When running becomes your major asset, go to the olympics Bang head Bang head Bang head

    I don't hate him Val. I love DCFC and my (often misguided) opinion is that we will make no progress to the promised land with players, however talented, who have insufficient heart, desire and, more importantly, team ethic.

    Even his post match comments about Carson on Saturday had an edge to them - he could easily have said "It was a very brave thing for Scotty to do in added time, to go for the clearance and not play out time,", but no, what he actually said was along the lines of "I wondered if Scotty would be brave enough to go long". My inference on his slant was that he was as demeaning as complimentary,.... he could have chosen words which were unequivocal.

    He has been our best player this season, (but not most consistent, that honour goes to Baird), and I wish him well. I would lbe happy to see him in the Prem with Derby, but everything that I have ever witnessed about him says he won't be happy as "just" a part of a really good team, rather than the main attraction - and if that's the case, then you only need one disruptive influence in the dressing room to ruin things.

    I really hope that Rowett can sort him out - if he can we will have a gem on our hands.


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    Post by chicken on Tue 11 Apr 2017, 6:05 pm

    I like Ince and think he is a quality player. The fact he is inconsistent is the reason why he's playing for Derby County in the Championship and not in the Premier League.
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    Post by CornwallRam on Tue 11 Apr 2017, 8:07 pm

    Sydney Smooth wrote:What a load of Grade 'A' crap, in my opinion Incey Wincey will never be a 100% committed team player as long as he has a hole in his backside, he may occasionally  score goals but he is so predictable, 99% of the time he will shoot rather than pass to a team-mate, if confronted by an opponent he will invariably move the ball on to his left foot and endeavour to come inside the opponent and is therefore easily sussed by opponents.

    He tracks back and helps out the defence when it suits him, his heading ability is virtually non-existent and his general attitude appears to me to be 'I'm Mr Wonderful pass it to me', if things are not going right for the team he is one of the first to go missing.

    So, get in there Mr Pulis, fill yer boots and take the Prima Donna off our hands, I'm sure there are many players out there who could take his place in our team at a fraction of his wages.


    This is the bit that I don't get. I fully agree that 99% of the time he moves the ball onto his left peg and comes inside. The odd thing is though, that he doesn't seem to have been sussed by opponents.

    I'm nearly 50 and was never a very good player even 25 years ago. However, I reckon that I could mark Ince out of the game even now because I'd know exactly what he was going to do. Yet, highly paid, professional defenders can't seem to stop him (when he's not sulking). Either they just don't do their home work, or Ince must do something really special in the process of cutting inside.
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    Post by rjrules71 on Tue 11 Apr 2017, 8:27 pm

    14 goals 5 assists 54 shots on target, besides learning that you also have to track back

    I would call that a good season for any ostensibly wing player.

    He still has a few petulant moments, but he has undoubtedly got the talent, and if he could reproduce this form year on year, he will no longer be a passenger with benefits, but a solid and occasionally spectacular player.

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    Post by SawleyRam on Tue 11 Apr 2017, 11:56 pm

    There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
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    Post by valakari on Wed 12 Apr 2017, 12:23 am

    CornwallRam wrote:
    Sydney Smooth wrote:What a load of Grade 'A' crap, in my opinion Incey Wincey will never be a 100% committed team player as long as he has a hole in his backside, he may occasionally  score goals but he is so predictable, 99% of the time he will shoot rather than pass to a team-mate, if confronted by an opponent he will invariably move the ball on to his left foot and endeavour to come inside the opponent and is therefore easily sussed by opponents.

    He tracks back and helps out the defence when it suits him, his heading ability is virtually non-existent and his general attitude appears to me to be 'I'm Mr Wonderful pass it to me', if things are not going right for the team he is one of the first to go missing.

    So, get in there Mr Pulis, fill yer boots and take the Prima Donna off our hands, I'm sure there are many players out there who could take his place in our team at a fraction of his wages.


    This is the bit that I don't get. I fully agree that 99% of the time he moves the ball onto his left peg and comes inside. The odd thing is though, that he doesn't seem to have been sussed by opponents.

    I'm nearly 50 and was never a very good player even 25 years ago. However, I reckon that I could mark Ince out of the game even now because I'd know exactly what he was going to do. Yet, highly paid, professional defenders can't seem to stop him (when he's not sulking). Either they just don't do their home work, or Ince must do something really special in the process of cutting inside.
    so does Messi....but you can't stop him..
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    Post by valakari on Wed 12 Apr 2017, 12:24 am

    ...or maybe you can... celebration
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    Post by RRC on Wed 12 Apr 2017, 1:41 am

    SawleyRam wrote:There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

    So the goals' column in the Championship table and the lists of top scorers and assists are
    irrelevant statistics? I think we'd be in or very near the drop zone without Ince's efforts
    in front of goal. He's contributed to 19 of our 48 goals. Without them we'd have F-A of 29-41
    and a GD of -12, on a par with Burton, Blackburn and Bristol.

    In contrast, Russell's 2 goals and 1 assist don't make very good reading, but I suppose he's
    too busy tracking back to have much end product as an attacker. Another damned statistic
    for you -- Ince averages almost twice as many tackles per game as Russell this season.

    I think some fans only see what they want to see -- Russell good, Ince bad -- but I want to
    see quality, vision and intelligence, because that's what wins the difficult matches. I do like
    Russell but I wouldn't want Derby to rely on him for goals or for making the right decisions.



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    Post by rjrules71 on Wed 12 Apr 2017, 6:19 am

    SawleyRam wrote:There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

    SR
    That phrase has been bent out of shape since the 1800's, these are facts, simple facts, not embellished facts.

    JR's goal attempts, his primary aim, is pale in comparison.

    Whilst I like Russell for his endeavour, it seems much of it comes to nought.
    That said if GR can get Ince to pass a little more to colleagues in a far better position he too will have improved his game.

    Perhaps inter changing of the "wingers" during the game may help, god knows we have said it enough on here. Dunno





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    Post by KeoghKeogh on Wed 12 Apr 2017, 7:55 am

    How many times have we seen...

    1. Ince position himself so that he can receive the ball. In some cases he got it and scored.

    2. Ince charge back, put in a decent challenge to win back the ball. Sometimes this has led to him or us scoring.

    3. Ince wander around without picking up a player when the other team is pressing. Sometimes this has meant that the MF or back 4 have been overrun and they have scored.

    4. Ince position himself so that he cannot receive the ball. In some cases this has meant that Christie or Baird or the MF having to stop and go backwards or sidewards. At worst it has meant that the ball has been intercepted and the other team has scored.

    He is an outstanding player. But it's not acceptable that he chooses when he can and cannot be bothered to do the basics. It doesn't matter that he would be prem quality if he was consistent. The thing is that he isn't consistent and needs to put that right or be moved on.
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    Post by MadAmster on Wed 12 Apr 2017, 8:09 am

    RRC wrote:
    SawleyRam wrote:There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

    So the goals' column in the Championship table and the lists of top scorers and assists are
    irrelevant statistics? I think we'd be in or very near the drop zone without Ince's efforts
    in front of goal. He's contributed to 19 of our 48 goals. Without them we'd have F-A of 29-41
    and a GD of -12, on a par with Burton, Blackburn and Bristol.

    In contrast, Russell's 2 goals and 1 assist don't make very good reading, but I suppose he's
    too busy tracking back to have much end product as an attacker. Another damned statistic
    for you -- Ince averages almost twice as many tackles per game as Russell this season.

    I think some fans only see what they want to see -- Russell good, Ince bad -- but I want to
    see quality, vision and intelligence, because that's what wins the difficult matches. I do like
    Russell but I wouldn't want Derby to rely on him for goals or for making the right decisions.

    Russell's stats this season are poor. In the previous two seasons he was towards the top of our goals scored and assists stats.

    He has admitted he hasn't been good enough this season. When did any player at any club last do that.

    We need a better player, agreed, but we shouldn't get rid until we have that better player.



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    Post by RRC on Wed 12 Apr 2017, 8:17 am

    KeoghKeogh wrote:How many times have we seen...

    1. Russell wasting good chances, blasting the ball far too high or wide.

    2. Russell crosses going straight to the first defender.

    3. Russell utterly failing to control a pass and giving the ball straight to an opponent.

    4. Russell running into a blind alley without ever looking up to see if a pass is on.

    Ince and Russell both have good points and faults - no need to write off Ince because
    you like Russell. Work rate is good but there's got to be a substantial end product --
    goals and assists in the case of attackers. As he said himself, Russell hasn't produced
    enough this season.



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    Post by Stockport Ram on Wed 12 Apr 2017, 8:43 am

    KeoghKeogh wrote:How many times have we seen...

    1. Ince position himself so that he can receive the ball. In some cases he got it and scored.

    2. Ince charge back, put in a decent challenge to win back the ball. Sometimes this has led to him or us scoring.

    3. Ince wander around without picking up a player when the other team is pressing. Sometimes this has meant that the MF or back 4 have been overrun and they have scored.

    4. Ince position himself so that he cannot receive the ball. In some cases this has meant that Christie or Baird or the MF having to stop and go backwards or sidewards. At worst it has meant that the ball has been intercepted and the other team has scored.

    He is an outstanding player. But it's not acceptable that he chooses when he can and cannot be bothered to do the basics. It doesn't matter that he would be prem quality if he was consistent. The thing is that he isn't consistent and needs to put that right or be moved on.


    He has done a lot more of 2. this season.

    I'm also pleased that someone else has made point 4, because I was beginning to think I was imagining it.

    The highlighted bit nails it for me. Very few players can afford to do that - Cruyff, Best, Pele, Maradona.

    The bigger point is, they didn't. That's why they were the best.

    Ince has so much talent that perhaps we ask too much of him - or perhaps we don't.`




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    Post by KeoghKeogh on Wed 12 Apr 2017, 9:55 am

    Stockport Ram wrote:
    KeoghKeogh wrote:How many times have we seen...

    1. Ince position himself so that he can receive the ball. In some cases he got it and scored.

    2. Ince charge back, put in a decent challenge to win back the ball. Sometimes this has led to him or us scoring.

    3. Ince wander around without picking up a player when the other team is pressing. Sometimes this has meant that the MF or back 4 have been overrun and they have scored.

    4. Ince position himself so that he cannot receive the ball. In some cases this has meant that Christie or Baird or the MF having to stop and go backwards or sidewards. At worst it has meant that the ball has been intercepted and the other team has scored.

    He is an outstanding player. But it's not acceptable that he chooses when he can and cannot be bothered to do the basics. It doesn't matter that he would be prem quality if he was consistent. The thing is that he isn't consistent and needs to put that right or be moved on.


    He has done a lot more of 2. this season.

    I'm also pleased that someone else has made point 4, because I was beginning to think I was imagining it.

    The highlighted bit nails it for me. Very few players can afford to do that - Cruyff, Best, Pele, Maradona.

    The bigger point is, they didn't.  That's why they were the best.

    Ince has so much talent  that perhaps we ask too much of him - or perhaps we don't.`





    yes. When he can't be bothered Ince doesn't 'show' for the ball. Worse still, he does one of two things:

    He puts (and keeps) himself in a position so that one of their players is in a line between our player with the ball and himself (usually our full back, sometimes our MF). This means that our player can't get the ball to him.

    He drops back into a position that goes against the momentum of our play - usually out of the eye line of our man with the ball. This means that he becomes 'invisible' to our man, or becomes irrelevant to the move forward.

    When he can be bothered he shows for the ball, he 'demands it' and puts himself in a position where he is the 'out ball' for our man in possession... and we are a far better side for it.

    Part of the problem is that his team mates can't rely on him to make the effort - which in part leads to Christie being isolated when he presses, Baird not pressing (so as not to become isolated), Keogh running into blind alleys even more that he would naturally do anyway, Butterfield looking sidewards and (in part led to) Martin getting little service.

    All Ince needs to do is to make a consistent effort and then he would be priceless.

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