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    MadAmster

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    Retained list.....

    Post by MadAmster on Mon 15 May 2017, 1:51 pm

    ..... absolutely mind blowing, in as much as there appear to be all of the squad still there. There are some names missing, such as Bennett, Rawson, Elsnik and more. As there are no names named as being on their way out, I assume the are all in for the U23 squad, which may please some but not Mason......

    Obviously this is not the whole story, I would hope. This list is a couple of players larger than Mel and Rowett have indicated that they want. They intend to bring some new players in where that player is better than the current incumbent.

    Some of the players in the list must be moving on over the summer. If they don't then that might indicate no incoming and that would be a disaster.

    DERBY COUNTY RETAINED LIST

    First-team squad players under contract beyond the summer of 2017: Scott Carson, Cyrus Christie, Craig Forsyth, Craig Bryson, Jason Shackell, Richard Keogh, Johnny Russell, Ikechi Anya, Chris Martin, Tom Ince, Darren Bent, Chris Baird, Bradley Johnson, Alex Pearce, Jacob Butterfield, Will Hughes, Abdoul Camara, Kelle Roos, Nick Blackman, Matej Vydra, Andreas Weimann, Max Lowe, Jamie Hanson, David Nugent, Marcus Olsson, George Thorne, Jonathan Mitchell.



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    Post by bramhallram on Mon 15 May 2017, 2:22 pm

    What a surprise. Almost all of our first team squad are under contract 'beyond the summer of 2017'.

    Good luck with your rebuilding plans, GR.

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    Post by SawleyRam on Mon 15 May 2017, 2:43 pm

    bramhallram wrote:What a surprise. Almost all of our first team squad are under contract 'beyond the summer of 2017'.

    Good luck with your rebuilding plans, GR.

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    But the list doesn't say who is available for transfer, probably all if the right bids arrive!
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    Post by thatguyfromderby on Mon 15 May 2017, 2:59 pm

    Is the retained list not simply a list of players still under contract at the end of the season, excluding those who will not be renewed? That said.. I'm surprised Christie isn't being moved on as his contract is due to end soon, no?
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    Post by whestonram on Mon 15 May 2017, 3:15 pm

    thatguyfromderby wrote:Is the retained list not simply a list of players still under contract at the end of the season, excluding those who will not be renewed? That said.. I'm surprised Christie isn't being moved on as his contract is due to end soon, no?

    Wasn't the often repeated "fact" that Christie's contract ran out in 2017 later reported to be untrue?
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    Post by chicken on Mon 15 May 2017, 4:32 pm

    Christie contracted until 2018

    http://m.derbytelegraph.co.uk/is-derby-county-defender-cyrus-christie-out-of-contract-this-summer/story-30298400-detail/story.html

    The fact that no first team players are out of contract this year makes me sad! Same old shit next year then.
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    Post by thatguyfromderby on Mon 15 May 2017, 5:51 pm

    That suggests to me that Ince, Martin, or Hughes (or some combination of the 3) will probably leave during the summer.
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    Post by valakari on Mon 15 May 2017, 5:54 pm

    every fishcaking one of them...bloody clauses...Sam Rush ....you must go...oh yes, he has celebration
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    Post by valakari on Mon 15 May 2017, 5:55 pm

    thatguyfromderby wrote:That suggests to me that Ince, Martin, or Hughes (or some combination of the 3) will probably leave during the summer.
    Why does it??
    We may need to off load, but we don't need to off load our best players!!
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    Post by Stockport Ram on Mon 15 May 2017, 6:24 pm

    Wolves have found out Weimann then?? Thought we'd got rid.
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    Post by old ewe on Mon 15 May 2017, 8:18 pm

    GR has said that every player has a price. The players will know if they are part of his long term plans He will be working with those are who not to try to get them new clubs. He says this is how he operates and he hasn't had to freeze a player out yet !!
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    Post by old ewe on Mon 15 May 2017, 8:23 pm

    GR has said that every player has a price.     The players will know if they are part of his long term plans     He will be working with those are who not to try to get them new clubs. He says this is how he operates and he hasn't had to freeze a player out yet !!
    3 players were originally out of contract this summer. They all had a further years option which has been taken up. Bent, Baird and Christie. This doesn't mean that they are not up for offers...... though Baird is the most likely to be on GR wanted list.
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    Post by thatguyfromderby on Mon 15 May 2017, 8:38 pm

    valakari wrote:
    thatguyfromderby wrote:That suggests to me that Ince, Martin, or Hughes (or some combination of the 3) will probably leave during the summer.
    Why does it??
    We may need to off load, but we don't need to off load our best players!!

    Because those are the only ones with any sellable value. Those are the ones that will get bids. Those are the ones (more so Martin and Hughes) that will open up our FFP a little more.
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    Post by valakari on Tue 16 May 2017, 12:29 am

    But what is the point...Martin and Hughes are the best at this level in their positions...why sell to have to try to replace them...cos I'm sure adequate replacements will cost us more!
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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Tue 16 May 2017, 7:14 am

    But you're assuming that we will need a target man and a midfield play maker. They may be the best in the positions that they play but if you play with a system that doesn't use their positions then you may as well sell. In my opinion we will be playing strong, quick athletic football under Rowett which makes quite a few of our players surplus to requirements, in which case they may as well be sold to fund the rebuild.
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    Post by rob on Tue 16 May 2017, 8:37 am

    interesting summer ahead but Mel Morris has already dampened expectations with his 3-4 windows comments - roll on season 19/20 when the rebuild of the squad will be finished (how many managers we will have had in that time period I expect will be more than two)
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    Post by Barnstaple Ram on Tue 16 May 2017, 12:31 pm

    I think some are confused over what the retained list is. It is a list of players whose contracts are running out and will not be offered new deals, so as Baird and Bent have been offered new deals due to clauses they are not on the list.
    The retained list is submitted to the EFL / FA and then a full list of out of contract players is circulated to clubs so they can approach players if desired
    Clubs can and will still be able to but and sell player not on the lists

    The official club statement details other young players that will also be released (eg Santos)

    http://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/derby-county-confirm-end-of-season-retained-list-3715940.aspx
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    Post by chicken on Tue 16 May 2017, 3:47 pm

    Great! No interest as yet!!
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    Post by KeoghKeogh on Wed 17 May 2017, 5:03 pm

    Watch out for Max Bird next season. Local lad currently playing in midfield for the under 23s even though he is a 16 year old.
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    Post by whestonram on Wed 17 May 2017, 5:39 pm

    chicken wrote:Great! No interest as yet!!

    Its only mid May....
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    Post by Barnstaple Ram on Thu 18 May 2017, 12:46 pm

    KeoghKeogh wrote:Watch out for Max Bird next season. Local lad currently playing in midfield for the under 23s even though he is a 16 year old.

    I fine it interesting that under 16's only allowed to play 40 minutes each way (even FIFA's under 17 cup was the same) yet they can play full 45 for senior teams
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    Post by Sydney Smooth on Thu 18 May 2017, 1:17 pm

    KeoghKeogh wrote:Watch out for Max Bird next season. Local lad currently playing in midfield for the under 23s even though he is a 16 year old.

    A young man who appears to be gifted beyond his years, I've been impressed with his U/18 and U/23 appearances, he works hard 'for the team' and he could have a very good future as long as Wassall lets him play his natural game.

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