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    Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by Jackal on Sat 20 May 2017, 4:55 pm

    Seeing as a lot of posts tend to digress into a Keogh, should we/shouldn't we? I thought we could have a good old-fashioned poll.


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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Sat 20 May 2017, 5:07 pm

    Replace as long as we buy somebody better which isn't a foregone conclusion, failing that he should stay but not as captain.

    So I need 2 votes please.

    I'll bet anybody by the way, that if we sell him we'll make a profit. Not bad for somebody who's supposed to be sh*t
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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by Jackal on Sat 20 May 2017, 5:14 pm

    Anytime you replace a player it's a gamble as you don't know for certain if they'll settle/get injured/drop seriously out of form so i limited it to one vote per poster. No sitting on the fence on this one otherwise it seems a bit of a no-brainer that you would sell to replace with better quality.



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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by asotrsott on Sat 20 May 2017, 5:23 pm

    No Captain, but has been a good servant to the club, always gives 100% effort...needs a good playing partner...like Todd/McFarland, of Hindmarch/Maclaren....
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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by purpleram on Sat 20 May 2017, 5:35 pm

    He's been a great servant to the club but like anyone if we get the right price and we can improve the position, he needs to go.

    He's a good championship defender, and never gives less than 100%. It's a sad day when spmeone like him is treated so disrespectfully by a vocal minority of fans.
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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by asotrsott on Sat 20 May 2017, 5:48 pm

    Not seen enough of Shackell to form an opinion?
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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by RRC on Sat 20 May 2017, 6:35 pm

    Loughborough Ram wrote:Replace as long as we buy somebody better which isn't a foregone conclusion, failing that he should stay but not as captain.

    So I need 2 votes please.

    I'll bet anybody by the way, that if we sell him we'll make a profit. Not bad for somebody who's supposed to be sh*t

    Spot on.

    Inflation should ensure that any bids for him will be higher than the fee DCFC paid
    but the club will need to get a lot more for him, because a better CH will cost a lot
    and our FFP situation will probably put a stop to OTT spending.

    The best CHs are thin on the ground, so there's fierce competition from PL and EFL clubs.



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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by Ram78 on Sat 20 May 2017, 7:16 pm

    He played his best footy when Clement gave the captaincy to Baird so I say keep but give the captaincy to another, however I think it needs to be like what Clement did and rowett to bring his own man in, but not Ryan shotton Fingers crossed



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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by CornwallRam on Sat 20 May 2017, 8:04 pm

    Sell - but not because of his footballing ability. He's a better player than many credit him for.

    We need to sell because we need a change of culture. Keogh has been a senior player for several years and part of the 'leadership group' which has been instrumental in setting the club's culture. If we're going to lose our soft underbelly, we need to get rid of Keogh as a minimum, and probably the rest of the 'leadership group' too.
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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by outsider on Sat 20 May 2017, 8:24 pm

    Keep but not captain. Keogh get more stick than he deserves, but he is prone to errors but I blame all more than just him. When he wasn't captain he played a lot better... shocked be first to go before keogh
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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by Stockport Ram on Sat 20 May 2017, 9:36 pm

    CornwallRam wrote:Sell - but not because of his footballing ability. He's a better player than many credit him for.

    We need to sell because we need a change of culture. Keogh has been a senior player for several years and part of the 'leadership group' which has been instrumental in setting the club's culture. If we're going to lose our soft underbelly, we need to get rid of Keogh as a minimum, and probably the rest of the 'leadership group' too.

    Spot on. I wish I'd had the ability to voice my opinion like that.

    Like it or not whilst he is here he will "represent" the problem.

    I'd be interested in your views of others within the "leadership group" CR - I have my own opinions but acknowledge that its not just him.
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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by thatguyfromderby on Sat 20 May 2017, 9:52 pm

    I think he's a damn fine defender when asked to focus on his own position and his alone.

    Lets not forget we for a period of time had one of the best defences in the league. But as Baird and Pearce tired/Christie came back into contention.. we began to fall apart. If we added a no-nonsense player like Wisdom, Fozzy regains fitness (and doesn't loses his previous qualities), we get a better supporting CB (e.g. Flint), and strip him of his captaincy, I genuinely believe Keogh would be one of the best CB's in the league.

    I voted to keep but strip of captaincy.
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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by valakari on Sun 21 May 2017, 12:13 pm

    Totally agree with thatguyfromderby.
    As i said on previous threads...there is a Keogh witch hunt going on..and this thread proves it.
    Keep him.
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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by Stockport Ram on Sun 21 May 2017, 12:18 pm

    I will continue to counter any post that talks of a witch hunt.

    I say what I see.  We are all entitled to our opinion.
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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by Jackal on Sun 21 May 2017, 12:38 pm

    valakari wrote:Totally agree with thatguyfromderby.
    As i said on previous threads...there is a Keogh witch hunt going on..and this thread proves it.
    Keep him.
    I set-up this thread to give it a place of it's own rather than many other threads being derailed by the debate. As a Derby fan i think the club can find a better centreback somewhere out there in the world of football and we could certainly find a better leader. This is not me leading a witch hunt. The people that make the decisions at the club are big boys & are capable of making such decisions for themselves. I'm not trying to influence anybody's decision here. The title of the thread is 'Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do' not 'Richard Keogh Out!'



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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by DavesaRam on Sun 21 May 2017, 9:50 pm

    asotrsott wrote:Not seen enough of Shackell to form an opinion?

    I've seen enough - he is good at anticipating where the ball is going to arrive, so is good against hoofballers. But on the ball he is slow and cumbersome, and often reverts to "kick it as hard as I can somewhere up there", and the ball inevitably goes to the opposition. He aslo has a reputation of being disruptive in the dressing room.



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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by DavesaRam on Sun 21 May 2017, 9:54 pm

    thatguyfromderby wrote:I think he's a damn fine defender when asked to focus on his own position and his alone.

    Lets not forget we for a period of time had one of the best defences in the league. But as Baird and Pearce tired/Christie came back into contention.. we began to fall apart. If we added a no-nonsense player like Wisdom, Fozzy regains fitness (and doesn't loses his previous qualities), we get a better supporting CB (e.g. Flint), and strip him of his captaincy, I genuinely believe Keogh would be one of the best CB's in the league.

    I voted to keep but strip of captaincy.

    'Tis indeed true - his worst period was when he had to keep covering for Shotton and an out-of-form and out-of-confidence Wisdom. So not only did he have the added responsibility of captaincy, he was playing 2 or 3 positions single-handedly.

    Look at hoe well he performed when Pearce first arrived next to him, and that went well until Pearce started impersonating an elephant, having to think where to put his foot for every step so he didn't trip over the other foot. When playing alongside defenders who can do the job reliably, he is fine.



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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by valakari on Mon 22 May 2017, 9:17 am

    Here here
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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by Sydney Smooth on Mon 22 May 2017, 1:56 pm

    DavesaRam wrote:
    asotrsott wrote:Not seen enough of Shackell to form an opinion?

    I've seen enough - he is good at anticipating where the ball is going to arrive, so is good against hoofballers. But on the ball he is slow and cumbersome, and often reverts to "kick it as hard as I can somewhere up there", and the ball inevitably goes to the opposition. He aslo has a reputation of being disruptive in the dressing room.

    I'm not a fan of Shackell, his heading out of defence, even when not under pressure, is frequently abysmal and his distribution via his size 9s is not much better.

    Rumours were rife in his first spell of his alleged shenanigans and this season tales of his and others alleged disruptive and subversive behaviour have been doing the rounds, in short I do not think we should have signed him for a second spell.

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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by MadAmster on Mon 22 May 2017, 4:27 pm

    Unless we buy better, keep Keogh and give the armband to someone else.



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    Re: Richard Keogh - what do you think we should do?

    Post by rob on Tue 23 May 2017, 4:04 pm

    I am not his biggest fan but unless we buy better keep him

    However you could also argue he is one of our most sellable assets which could free up valueable FFP mathematical dollars which would enable us to strengthen

    I still think Rawson deserves a chance to show what he can do - didn't do badly for Rotherham after all

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