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    Curtis Davies in

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 10:21 am

    On a two year deal with an option for another. Loooks good business, he ticks most boxes. Big lad, reasonably quick, threatening at corners, experience at Premiersh*t and fa cup final level, been captain for most of his career and he only cost £500,000.

    I find it hard to see a down side
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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by whestonram on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 10:32 am

    Yes, I think its a good signing for that sort of money. Good omen for future business as well, that we could get him
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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by MadAmster on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 12:27 pm

    Someone I know who is verging on the inside says Grant Hanley is next...........



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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by Mitten State Ram on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 2:50 pm

    Loughborough Ram wrote:
    I find it hard to see a down side

    May result in letting go of Richard Keogh?
    Stirring the pot



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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 2:51 pm

    I still think we'll end up playing three at the back, and if we do I think that Keogh should be part of that.
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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by MadAmster on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 3:13 pm

    Loughborough Ram wrote:On a two year deal with an option for another. Loooks good business, he ticks most boxes. Big lad, reasonably quick, threatening at corners, experience at Premiersh*t and fa cup final level, been captain for most of his career and he only cost £500,000.

    I find it hard to see a down side

    Let's hope the option isn't one he can trigger like the Bent and Baird options.



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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by SawleyRam on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 5:30 pm

    MadAmster wrote:
    Loughborough Ram wrote:On a two year deal with an option for another. Loooks good business, he ticks most boxes. Big lad, reasonably quick, threatening at corners, experience at Premiersh*t and fa cup final level, been captain for most of his career and he only cost £500,000.

    I find it hard to see a down side

    Let's hope the option isn't one he can trigger like the Bent and Baird options.

    But why not 'Ammy? At the price we paid he's a snip for the ability and level of experience Curtis Davies brings, bet after agreeing monetary terms he virtually wrote his own contract.
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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by KeoghKeogh on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 6:14 pm

    This can't be right... what's happened to spending £5M plus on a few more midfielders or widemen?

    ... Now we've got a manager who has watched the team play a fair few times and seems able to see the glaringly obvious.

    Long may it continue.
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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by KeoghKeogh on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 6:16 pm

    Plus, it's not Claude.

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    Post by CornwallRam on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 7:03 pm

    Not an exciting signing, but many of the best ones aren't. The defence is looking a bit geriatric at this point though. I hope we see some younger players coming at some point.
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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by valakari on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 9:14 pm

    Don't like the 'option' clause! we seem to have problems with those Bang head
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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by MadAmster on Thu 08 Jun 2017, 8:17 am

    SawleyRam wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    Loughborough Ram wrote:On a two year deal with an option for another. Loooks good business, he ticks most boxes. Big lad, reasonably quick, threatening at corners, experience at Premiersh*t and fa cup final level, been captain for most of his career and he only cost £500,000.

    I find it hard to see a down side

    Let's hope the option isn't one he can trigger like the Bent and Baird options.

    But why not 'Ammy? At the price we paid he's a snip for the ability and level of experience Curtis Davies brings, bet after agreeing monetary terms he virtually wrote his own contract.

    Simple arithmetic Sawls. He is costing little so you can expect his wages to be ample. 2 year contract plus a 1 year option. In 2 years he will be 34. Hopefully, he would no longer be a 1st choice for us in the PL and he would be a high wage earner on the fringes of the squad by then. I would not be happy with him being able to trigger an option clause if he wasn't close to being a guaranteed starter and/or no longer wanted by the club. Rowett may, or may not, want Bent but Bent was able to trigger the clause..... regardless of GR's thoughts. Not a good idea IMO.



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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by MadAmster on Thu 08 Jun 2017, 8:24 am

    There was some talk in another thread yesterday on whether a new player should be captain. Views ranged from "the armband has to be earned" to "the skipper is the Manager's representative on the pitch so you pick the best man for the job".

    Just read on the OS that Rowett thinks the following of Davies......
    Gary Rowett wrote:He is a leader, a talker and an organiser but the big thing for me is that he is a really good character. He is a good guy and comes highly recommended by people who have worked with him.


    Read more at http://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/rowett-no-better-option-than-curtis-3729505.aspx#eKh7rtbcyUqe5vDB.99

    Certainly makes him sound more Captain material than someone who maybe looks like a rabbit in the headlights throwing his arms in the air berating people........

    IMO, Rowett will choose someone who will represent him on the park. Be an extension of him there.

    The quote from the OS points to Davies being a reasonable candidate.



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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by rob on Thu 08 Jun 2017, 11:52 am

    cracking signing in an area we could do with adding quality to
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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by Barnstaple Ram on Thu 08 Jun 2017, 12:29 pm

    MadAmster wrote:
    SawleyRam wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    Loughborough Ram wrote:On a two year deal with an option for another. Loooks good business, he ticks most boxes. Big lad, reasonably quick, threatening at corners, experience at Premiersh*t and fa cup final level, been captain for most of his career and he only cost £500,000.

    I find it hard to see a down side

    Let's hope the option isn't one he can trigger like the Bent and Baird options.

    But why not 'Ammy? At the price we paid he's a snip for the ability and level of experience Curtis Davies brings, bet after agreeing monetary terms he virtually wrote his own contract.

    Simple arithmetic Sawls. He is costing little so you can expect his wages to be ample. 2 year contract plus a 1 year option. In 2 years he will be 34. Hopefully, he would no longer be a 1st choice for us in the PL and he would be a high wage earner on the fringes of the squad by then. I would not be happy with him being able to trigger  an option clause if he wasn't close to being a guaranteed starter and/or no longer wanted by the club. Rowett may, or may not, want Bent but Bent was able to trigger the clause..... regardless of GR's thoughts. Not a good idea IMO.

    if he is no longer first choice at the end of his 2 years then any Bent type option would not be triggered anyway
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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by MadAmster on Thu 08 Jun 2017, 2:04 pm

    Barnstaple Ram wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    SawleyRam wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    Loughborough Ram wrote:On a two year deal with an option for another. Loooks good business, he ticks most boxes. Big lad, reasonably quick, threatening at corners, experience at Premiersh*t and fa cup final level, been captain for most of his career and he only cost £500,000.

    I find it hard to see a down side

    Let's hope the option isn't one he can trigger like the Bent and Baird options.

    But why not 'Ammy? At the price we paid he's a snip for the ability and level of experience Curtis Davies brings, bet after agreeing monetary terms he virtually wrote his own contract.

    Simple arithmetic Sawls. He is costing little so you can expect his wages to be ample. 2 year contract plus a 1 year option. In 2 years he will be 34. Hopefully, he would no longer be a 1st choice for us in the PL and he would be a high wage earner on the fringes of the squad by then. I would not be happy with him being able to trigger  an option clause if he wasn't close to being a guaranteed starter and/or no longer wanted by the club. Rowett may, or may not, want Bent but Bent was able to trigger the clause..... regardless of GR's thoughts. Not a good idea IMO.

    if he is no longer first choice at the end of his 2 years then any Bent type option would not be triggered anyway

    Depends on the content of the clause. Bent reached his goals and playing time target well before Rowett joined Derby.

    If the clause is, say, a minimum of 25 appearances in that second season, he starts the opening 25 games and gets an injury in the 26th he can't seem to get over and doesn't play again........



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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by Barnstaple Ram on Fri 09 Jun 2017, 12:45 pm

    MadAmster wrote:
    Barnstaple Ram wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    SawleyRam wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    Loughborough Ram wrote:On a two year deal with an option for another. Loooks good business, he ticks most boxes. Big lad, reasonably quick, threatening at corners, experience at Premiersh*t and fa cup final level, been captain for most of his career and he only cost £500,000.

    I find it hard to see a down side

    Let's hope the option isn't one he can trigger like the Bent and Baird options.

    But why not 'Ammy? At the price we paid he's a snip for the ability and level of experience Curtis Davies brings, bet after agreeing monetary terms he virtually wrote his own contract.

    Simple arithmetic Sawls. He is costing little so you can expect his wages to be ample. 2 year contract plus a 1 year option. In 2 years he will be 34. Hopefully, he would no longer be a 1st choice for us in the PL and he would be a high wage earner on the fringes of the squad by then. I would not be happy with him being able to trigger  an option clause if he wasn't close to being a guaranteed starter and/or no longer wanted by the club. Rowett may, or may not, want Bent but Bent was able to trigger the clause..... regardless of GR's thoughts. Not a good idea IMO.

    if he is no longer first choice at the end of his 2 years then any Bent type option would not be triggered anyway

    Depends on the content of the clause. Bent reached his goals and playing time target well before Rowett joined Derby.

    If the clause is, say, a minimum of 25 appearances in that second season, he starts the opening 25 games and gets an injury in the 26th he can't seem to get over and doesn't play again........

    But then he would be a first choice until the injury. Your post said if he wasn't an automatic choice it would be wrong to take up the option
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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by MadAmster on Fri 09 Jun 2017, 2:38 pm

    Barnstaple Ram wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    Barnstaple Ram wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    SawleyRam wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    Loughborough Ram wrote:On a two year deal with an option for another. Loooks good business, he ticks most boxes. Big lad, reasonably quick, threatening at corners, experience at Premiersh*t and fa cup final level, been captain for most of his career and he only cost £500,000.

    I find it hard to see a down side

    Let's hope the option isn't one he can trigger like the Bent and Baird options.

    But why not 'Ammy? At the price we paid he's a snip for the ability and level of experience Curtis Davies brings, bet after agreeing monetary terms he virtually wrote his own contract.

    Simple arithmetic Sawls. He is costing little so you can expect his wages to be ample. 2 year contract plus a 1 year option. In 2 years he will be 34. Hopefully, he would no longer be a 1st choice for us in the PL and he would be a high wage earner on the fringes of the squad by then. I would not be happy with him being able to trigger  an option clause if he wasn't close to being a guaranteed starter and/or no longer wanted by the club. Rowett may, or may not, want Bent but Bent was able to trigger the clause..... regardless of GR's thoughts. Not a good idea IMO.

    if he is no longer first choice at the end of his 2 years then any Bent type option would not be triggered anyway

    Depends on the content of the clause. Bent reached his goals and playing time target well before Rowett joined Derby.

    If the clause is, say, a minimum of 25 appearances in that second season, he starts the opening 25 games and gets an injury in the 26th he can't seem to get over and doesn't play again........

    But then he would be a first choice until the injury. Your post said if he wasn't an automatic choice it would be wrong to take up the option

    Players triggering clauses regardless of the club's/manager's wishes is not a good idea IMO. Is my first quote. I may have been less than clear and not covered all the bases on the 2nd one. Apologies for any confusion.

    Basically, I think one sided clauses like the one Bent used are not a good idea. Bent would not be someone I would keep at the club. He may still go....... as it is we will be paying his wages next season, or possibly a % of them if we loan him out and I don't expect him to play very much at all.



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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by KeoghKeogh on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 12:02 pm

    Davies will be captain
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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by SawleyRam on Mon 12 Jun 2017, 12:08 am

    MadAmster wrote:
    Barnstaple Ram wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    Barnstaple Ram wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    SawleyRam wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    Loughborough Ram wrote:On a two year deal with an option for another. Loooks good business, he ticks most boxes. Big lad, reasonably quick, threatening at corners, experience at Premiersh*t and fa cup final level, been captain for most of his career and he only cost £500,000.

    I find it hard to see a down side

    Let's hope the option isn't one he can trigger like the Bent and Baird options.

    But why not 'Ammy? At the price we paid he's a snip for the ability and level of experience Curtis Davies brings, bet after agreeing monetary terms he virtually wrote his own contract.

    Simple arithmetic Sawls. He is costing little so you can expect his wages to be ample. 2 year contract plus a 1 year option. In 2 years he will be 34. Hopefully, he would no longer be a 1st choice for us in the PL and he would be a high wage earner on the fringes of the squad by then. I would not be happy with him being able to trigger  an option clause if he wasn't close to being a guaranteed starter and/or no longer wanted by the club. Rowett may, or may not, want Bent but Bent was able to trigger the clause..... regardless of GR's thoughts. Not a good idea IMO.

    if he is no longer first choice at the end of his 2 years then any Bent type option would not be triggered anyway

    Depends on the content of the clause. Bent reached his goals and playing time target well before Rowett joined Derby.

    If the clause is, say, a minimum of 25 appearances in that second season, he starts the opening 25 games and gets an injury in the 26th he can't seem to get over and doesn't play again........

    But then he would be a first choice until the injury. Your post said if he wasn't an automatic choice it would be wrong to take up the option

    Players triggering clauses regardless of the club's/manager's wishes is not a good idea IMO. Is my first quote. I may have been less than clear and not covered all the bases on the 2nd one. Apologies for any confusion.

    Basically, I think one sided clauses like the one Bent used are not a good idea. Bent would not be someone I would keep at the club. He may still go....... as it is we will be paying his wages next season, or possibly a % of them if we loan him out and I don't expect him to play very much at all.

    I agree very much on your summary of Bent 'Ammy but an agreed number of goals beforehand and an achievement of that target to give Bent the right to trigger another year deserves some recognition of his skills. He is and will be surplus to requirements this coming season but if we can offload him as a free that would be the perfect solution. (As happened from Villa)
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    Re: Curtis Davies in

    Post by bramhallram on Tue 13 Jun 2017, 10:06 pm

    Loughborough Ram wrote:On a two year deal with an option for another. Loooks good business, he ticks most boxes. Big lad, reasonably quick, threatening at corners, experience at Premiersh*t and fa cup final level, been captain for most of his career and he only cost £500,000.

    I find it hard to see a down side

    My only concern would be his fitness record. He was out for eight weeks in January with a hamstring injury.

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