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    Hughes deal complete

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 5:20 pm

    According to the BBC website Will has completed his move to Watford for £8m on a five year deal.

    Really not sure about him wearing yellow every week with his colouring.
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    Post by outsider on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 5:23 pm

    Sad day but understandable, he need to move as he not improved over last few seasons but has ability. Watford are not a bigger club than us so that alone disappoints for Will to move there and that they in premier league and we not.

    Good luck Will
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    Post by bramhallram on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 5:51 pm

    I'm probably alone in being more than a bit underwhelmed by this piece of business by DCFC. I don't know the details of GR's master plan, but selling one of your best players usually only works out if someone better is signed to replace him.

    My eyesight isn't the greatest, but I don't see a queue forming.

    But what's done is done. I now wait in eager anticipation to see which exciting, new, talented player GR has in mind to spark our midfield next season.

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    Re: Hughes deal complete

    Post by chicken on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 6:02 pm

    I think £8m is a great price for someone who hasn't improved in the last 3 years and who couldn't get into our starting 11 on a regular basis.  Not suited for a fight to get out of the Championship, undoubtedly has some talent  and may flourish in the Premier League, time will tell.
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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 6:13 pm

    Now on the Rams OS as well, so lets see who replaces him

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    Post by chicken on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 6:16 pm

    Loughborough Ram wrote:Now on the Rams OS as well, so lets see who replaces him

    Can you replace someone who wasn't a regular in the starting 11?
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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 7:01 pm

    Yes, in the squad. Ideally you get rid of someone who doesn't play regularly and replace them with someone who will play in every game. Not sure that's been happening for a few years now.
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    Post by rjrules71 on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 7:21 pm

    http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/06/24/will-hughes-sends-emotional-message-to-derby-after-watford-move/

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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 7:47 pm

    Troy Deeney described the price as "a steal" on twitter in response to a West Brom fan who wishes Will had signed for them instead.
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    Post by norfolkram on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 8:17 pm

    Good luck to the lad hope it all goes well for the rest of his career, shame the Premiership couldn't have happened with us but he couldn't wait forever.
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    Post by New England Ram on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 9:49 pm

    I'm over it....moving on



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    Post by outsider on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 9:57 pm

    norfolkram wrote:Good luck to the lad hope it all goes well for the rest of his career, shame the Premiership couldn't have happened with us but he couldn't wait forever.

    That what most feel , he needs to be in premier and wanted it with derby. But never happened
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    Re: Hughes deal complete

    Post by Stockport Ram on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 10:23 pm

    Its been an absolute privilege to watch him in a Derby shirt.

    We will always want you to succeed.

    Good luck Will.
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    Post by norfolkram on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 10:41 pm

    Stockport Ram wrote:Its been an absolute privilege to watch him in a Derby shirt.

    We will always want you to succeed.

    Good luck Will.

    Wonder what one footed mugwumps Rowett will waste the money on.
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    Post by norfolkram on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 11:40 pm

    Saw this on a Derby blog site and thought I'd share it with you all,

    Diminished Derby County cash in on Will Hughes
    Posted on June 24, 2017 by lazerock
    In a few short weeks, Derby County will run out to kick off their tenth consecutive season in the Championship, at Sunderland. It is highly unlikely that any academy products will be in the starting line-up. Max Lowe probably won’t get the nod, not with Craig Forsyth returning. Others, like Mason Bennett and Jamie Hanson, have not quite proved up to the mark and seem destined to pursue their careers elsewhere.

    And the most gifted academy player the club has produced since Giles Barnes over a decade ago has been sacrificed, for reasons I cannot easily forgive.

    Hughes was different – he was a source of genuine pride – he meant more than the others. I don’t have to tell you about how good he was. He is not perfect, of course, not versatile, not a dead-ball specialist, not the complete article, not yet as good as he will ultimately be. But he was just patently so much more talented and so much more exciting to watch than the overpaid, underachieving, uninspiring bunch of journeymen hired in from wherever they’ve come from in recent years. He made the game look simple, where others laboured. He saw and delivered passes that others couldn’t see, or have executed even if they had. Watching him play made me happy. I had faith in him and I know I am right when I say that he will get better and better. This sale diminishes the club.

    We knew that there would have to be outs. Of course there did. The club’s disastrous transfer dealings in the past couple of seasons ensured that. But now we are left with two players signed to cover the midfield while he was injured who are nowhere near as good as him and we have no Hughes. The reported fee – even if the highest figure plus all of the add-ons is right – is lower than the combined outlay on Johnson and Butterfield.

    The fee – again, even at the highest end of the reports, with all of the add-ons included – is less than what the Rams paid to Watford for Vydra and Anya, neither of whom have had much impact at the club since arriving. And the money for those deals was raised by selling a talented youth product, too. Our future has been traded away and so far, the players recruited with the proceeds have, to be brutal about it, only succeeded in making us worse.

    Early in his reign, Rowett told BBC Radio Derby that he wasn’t a fan of signing players on their way down from the Premier League and looking for one last payday. I wonder if he now regrets that assertion. Curtis Davies (32) was his first signing of this season, because he was available from relegated Hull on a cut-price deal. Davies was keen to come at least in part because the transfer suited his wife, who is from Birmingham. Derby have since been repeatedly linked with moves for the veterans Glenn Whelan and George Boyd.

    Quite reasonably, Boyd has refused a one-year extension to his contract at Burnley, because he would much rather pick up another two (or more) years at a second-tier club like Derby, which is starting to feel more like a welcoming home for has-beens to rock up at when they’re ready to wind down than a nursery for the next generation.

    DCFC player age

    If it is right that the club is selling an England under-21 international developed through the academy in order to fund the signing of a 33 year-old who is finished at Stoke, then that is dreadful. The symbolism of such a transaction – trading away our most talented young player in order to buy a waning star – is just awful. I was under the impression that Mel Morris wanted the Derby Way to be a path for young players to tread, but now Hughes is leaving and at the time of writing, we are left with a bunch of ageing, largely uninspiring journeymen – apparently the only species of player guaranteed a game and an easy, obscenely healthy payday at this place.

    Looking at it more positively, the Brighton & Hove Albion side promoted last season had plenty of experience on its books and there’s no doubt that a certain amount of nous can help drag a team through difficult spells in the gruelling Championship campaign. Different signings from the players mentioned above may yet materialise and there’s no doubt that Andre Wisdom is a very good capture, pending a successful medical.

    But it is difficult to square Rowett’s reported interest in a motley crew of grizzled veterans with the injection of athleticism, pace and fresh blood that we were initially briefed to expect coming through the door.

    I was totally behind the idea of Rowett as a ‘new broom’. I was also looking forward to the anticipated ‘clear-out’. I was fine with the idea of new players with athleticism and pace. I nodded approvingly when Rowett talked about not wanting to give a final pay-day to players whose best days are behind them.

    Wisdom joins, Forsyth is back and with the addition of Davies, the defence starts to look good for this level – then (whisper it) George Thorne is returning for pre-season training and you start to feel like the future might be a bit brighter. Hughes and Thorne playing together could have….

    This situation reminds me, unfortunately, of when Tom Huddlestone left. I feel the same way. Here was a player who should have been at the heart of Derby County’s future, sacrificed for short-term expediency.

    Whatever happens next, what I cannot forgive is that Hughes’ departure is a consequence of the gross recruitment incompetence which reigned at the club over the past two seasons. That is what upsets me more than anything.

    Still, this is Rowett’s decision to stand or fall by. This week, he told TalkSport that he would like to sign two or three more players, pending the necessary outs. He said that we will see “a very different Derby team” next season:-

    “We’ve had a very technically strong team that perhaps lacked a few of those elements that you need in what’s a really resilient Championship league.”

    Announcing the Davies deal on Rams TV, Rowett said that he wants Derby to be difficult to play against. This is the change in mindset that he is looking to bring. Under McClaren, everything was about what we did with the ball – under Rowett, it seems that our game will be all about stifling the opposition first and foremost.

    If Rowett does not consider Hughes as a good fit for how he wants to play – and that is the only possible interpretation I can see for the comments he’s made, especially given that Will was repeatedly left out at the end of last season – then I cannot help but resent him for it.

    And so now it is up to Rowett to justify his choice by delivering on what he has promised and proving that his brand of football can win promotion. If we are defensively solid and disciplined enough to grind out results on a consistent basis, then maybe we will have a chance of finally, finally clambering out of this bloody Championship, in which we have been marooned for almost a decade – and the loss of a player who was such a joy to watch will have been a price worth paying. But those two or three new signings are going to have to be very good players if they are going to make the difference.

    I do not associate the current squad with good football, good results, or good times – only with disappointment, embarrassment, patchy commitment, bizarre lapses and the ever-present threat of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. And now, one of only two players we had who was capable of turning a game with a moment of magic, who was a unique, genuine, miraculous class act, a beacon of hope in the increasingly impenetrable fog of mediocrity, is gone, punted out for a relative pittance to fishcaking Watford. No disrespect, Jonathan.

    He was supposed to go to the Premier League with us, not without us. Maybe Rowett has a rabbit up his sleeve and things will look brighter in a few weeks from now, but as it stands here and now, the Premier League has never felt further away and supporting this club has never felt more pointless.

    I hate the club I love today.

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    Re: Hughes deal complete

    Post by New England Ram on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 12:57 am

    Oh God...

    Good player yes our most creative talent yes.
    Have we sold creative players and talent before yes.
    As I said elsewhere when you have seen the likes of Todd Gemmill Saunders and Wright move on today's news is nothing worth getting hysterical about in my book.

    People are writing the manager and team off over one player...that one player could not and did not get us promoted on his own ..greater players than him have left our club and good times have returned after their departures.
    Usual mass hysteria before the team has been put together or a ball kicked.
    Fester won the premier league with almost zero creative talent in midfield but a shi* load of team spirit.
    Rumours have been rife for years that things were not right at a club that kept imploding.
    Let the bloody manager have a chance to sort that out..



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    Post by MadAmster on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 8:28 am

    Of course we are all disappointed at Will's departure. Even without the suspected "FFP issues", surely, it was time for Will to dip his toe in a deeper pool. To make the most of any career he may have before him, this was necessary. We looked after him when he was injure 2 seasons ago. He chose to stay last season and made 42 appearances overall and virtually zero after Rowett arrived. The writing was on the wall.

    I wish him well and will follow his career. Who knows, maybe he will come back when we swap places with Watford next season Wink

    As for a replacement...... impossible. Will cannot be replaced. What will happen is that we will play a different type of footbal. One that doesn't suit Will. How many incomings will the fee permit? Who knows, we will have to wait and see.

    Twitter reporting Whelan on his way from Stoke for £1M.

    As yet we have no idea of what we will see next season. 1-4-3-3? 1-4-4-2? 1-4-2-3-1? 1-3-5-2? A 1-1 up top rather than a 2? 1-4-1-4-1? Will we see Martin and Nugent form a Hector and O'Hare like striking partnership? Will GT be fit? Will Forsyth be fit?

    As ever, so many more questions than answers which is probably what keeps us intrigued in DCFC.


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    Post by chicken on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 9:02 am

    New England Ram wrote:Oh God...

    Good player yes our most creative talent yes.
    Have we sold creative players and talent before yes.
    As I said elsewhere when you have seen the likes of Todd Gemmill Saunders and Wright move on today's news is nothing worth getting hysterical about in my book.

    People are writing the manager and team off over one player...that one player could not and did not get us promoted on his own ..greater players than him have left our club and good times have returned after their departures.
    Usual mass hysteria before the team has been put together or a ball kicked.
    Fester won the premier league with almost zero creative talent in midfield but a shi* load of team spirit.
    Rumours have been rife for years that things were not right at a club that kept imploding.
    Let the bloody manager have a chance to sort that out..
    Great post.
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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 9:56 am

    That over long, dispairing blog is a load of old sh*t. Far too many opinions passed off as facts.

    Personally I like the fact that Rowett seems to be focussing on bringing in leaders, players that aren't going to freeze when the games get tougher, who are going to dish out a b*llocking rather than a sly shake of the head when a team mate does the wrong thing and players who will enjoy the challenge of a promotion campaign rather than bemoaning the pressure of performing in front of 30,000 expectant Rams fans every other week.

    We'll get used to being without Will, as sad as it is, but there'll be other heroes. Coming through the academy system is a new phenomenon and is no pre requisite for being a fans favourite, Dave MacKay, Roy MacFarland, Kevin Hector, Charlie George, Dean Saunders, Mark Wright, Paulo Wanchope, Igor Stimac and Stefano Eranio are all players who stole our hearts without playing a youth game for us.

    I can't wait for the new season, even post Will Hughes.

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    Post by thatguyfromderby on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 10:02 am

    Loughborough Ram wrote:That over long, dispairing blog is a load of old sh*t. Far too many opinions passed off as facts.

    Personally I like the fact that Rowett seems to be focussing on bringing in leaders, players that aren't going to freeze when the games get tougher, who are going to dish out a b*llocking rather than a sly shake of the head when a team mate does the wrong thing and players who will enjoy the challenge of a promotion campaign rather than bemoaning the pressure of performing in front of 30,000 expectant Rams fans every other week.

    We'll get used to being without Will, as sad as it is, but there'll be other heroes. Coming through the academy system is a new phenomenon and is no pre requisite for being a fans favourite, Dave MacKay, Roy MacFarland, Kevin Hector, Charlie George, Dean Saunders, Mark Wright, Paulo Wanchope, Igor Stimac and Stefano Eranio are all players who stole our hearts without playing a youth game for us.

    I can't wait for the new season, even post Will Hughes.


    Well put!

    He's a single player. He is not our club. I wish him well and hope he reaches his megastar potential so we can say "he's one of ours". But now is time to move on and trust we can build a team rather than a group of individuals.
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    Post by outsider on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 10:52 am

    chicken wrote:
    New England Ram wrote:Oh God...

    Good player yes our most creative talent yes.
    Have we sold creative players and talent before yes.
    As I said elsewhere when you have seen the likes of Todd Gemmill Saunders and Wright move on today's news is nothing worth getting hysterical about in my book.

    People are writing the manager and team off over one player...that one player could not and did not get us promoted on his own ..greater players than him have left our club and good times have returned after their departures.
    Usual mass hysteria before the team has been put together or a ball kicked.
    Fester won the premier league with almost zero creative talent in midfield but a shi* load of team spirit.
    Rumours have been rife for years that things were not right at a club that kept imploding.
    Let the bloody manager have a chance to sort that out..
    Great post.

    Ditto. As much as I like Hughes, ince and Martin etc it's not worked. I wanted rowett and will back him.

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    Re: Hughes deal complete

    Post by chicken on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 12:20 pm

    https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2017/06/rowett-discusses-hughes-departure

    Anybody who has any doubts over Gary Rowett, the selling of Hughes and his transfer fee needs to watch this. 

    The more I hear what Rowett has to say, the more I like him.
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    Post by bramhallram on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 12:54 pm

    chicken wrote:https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2017/06/rowett-discusses-hughes-departure

    Anybody who has any doubts over Gary Rowett, the selling of Hughes and his transfer fee needs to watch this. 

    The more I hear what Rowett has to say, the more I like him.

    I agree. He comes across as an honest man who's not afraid to answer the awkward questions. He reminds me of Arthur Cox.

    Let's hope he's as successful.

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    Post by thatguyfromderby on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 1:32 pm

    I agree. He came across as honest and sincere, and yeah.. he may not being us the most exciting brand of football, but we will be difficult to beat and we've been crying out for about of defensive stability for sometime.
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    Post by New England Ram on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 2:52 pm

    chicken wrote:https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2017/06/rowett-discusses-hughes-departure

    Anybody who has any doubts over Gary Rowett, the selling of Hughes and his transfer fee needs to watch this. 

    The more I hear what Rowett has to say, the more I like him.

    You just get the feeling that Rowett lives and breathes DCFC and his job.




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