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    Sunderland 1-1 Derby reports and comments

    Post by RRC on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 9:47 pm

    Derby fielded the team that lost to Hoffenheim last Saturday.
    Carson
    Wisdom, Keogh, Davies, Forsyth
    Butterfield, Huddlestone, Johnson
    Russell (Bryson, 89), Martin (Nugent, 77), Weimann (Vydra, 65)
    Subs
    Mitchell, Bryson, Baird, Pearce, Bennett, Vydra, Nugent
    Scorers
    Johnson (11), Grabban (42 pen)

    The first half was mostly scrappy with many hopeful long balls and little accurate passing.
    Derby struggled to get any useful possession for the first ten minutes but scored with
    their first decent attack. Russell beat his full back and his cross fell to Johnson, who calmly
    slotted the goal home on 11 minutes. The Rams played better for about ten minutes and
    created more chances without scoring.

    After that, Sunderland counter-attacked with determination and energy, putting the Derby
    defence under great pressure. Derby didn’t defend corners or high balls well and too often
    failed to clear their lines quickly. Carson made a brilliant save to keep Derby in front. The
    home side’s equalizer came when Butterfield stumbled and handled the ball as he fell,
    conceding a penalty. Grabban scored from the spot with a well-placed strike on 42 minutes.
    HT Sunderland 1-1 Derby

    Sunderland started the second half where they left off, pinning Derby back. They were well
    on top in the opening minutes and only the post denied them the lead. The pattern of the
    first half was repeated with Derby gradually gaining more possession. Their best chances
    came when Keogh’s header from a corner was deflected wide, and when Martin worked a
    great opening for himself but then blasted the ball high over the bar. The play was end to
    end in the dying minutes with plenty of openings for both teams. Nugent fluffed a good
    chance to pinch the win for Derby.
    FT Sunderland 1-1 Derby



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    Re: Sunderland 1-1 Derby reports and comments

    Post by Calif_Ramette on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 9:52 pm

    A point away from home is always good. That being said, we need to learn to clear our lines, that was a problem time and again. The peno on Butterfield was dodgy and a stone wall penalty was not given against Sunderland when Davis was pulled back on a corner.

    No real attacking width either. Had chances at the end of the game to win it but alas not to be. Just once I would like to actually watch a Derby game on TV and see them win.

    Those away kits are god awful yellow.

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    Re: Sunderland 1-1 Derby reports and comments

    Post by chicken on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 10:02 pm

    From Twitter - Point away from home. Sky still hate us. McClaren is bitter. Decent night #dcfc
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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 10:02 pm

    It may prove to be a good point but I think that it could have been more with the right team selection. I thought that we were disappointingly similar in shape and tempo until Vydra and Nugent livened us up towards the end. The three of Butterfield Johnson and Huddlestone do nothing to compliment each other and the forward three looked isolated for most of the first half. The penalty was a joke and the officals were predictably poor throughout.

    Early days, away at Sunderland, take the point and learn, we need some fresh ideas going forward so gat out there, stop telling us how hard you're working and secure a couple of quality players that will transform us. No panic, just a dose of reality
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    Post by Ram78 on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 10:12 pm

    Just hoping them glaring misses by nugent and martin is match practice!
    Thought huddlestone played well as did keogh, lovely ball by tom to Russell
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    Post by rjrules71 on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 10:18 pm

    We were for once fit and up for the game, one slight error Forsyth was dead in the last 10 mins and could have cost us, but in unusual Derby fashion, we came away with something for a hard nights work.

    Butterfield penno very dubious IMHO and ref missed the chance to even things out with the Davies shout.

    Really solid workout Grayson has got them organised already, no folding up when the goal went in against the play.

    We will play worse than that and win IMHO.

    Was a bit surprised with Johnson given the free role. Wisdom and Keogh stood out for me and Carson gets his money for THAT save.
    All in all a very good game and once a few rusty bits are polished I think we may have a good solid season

    What I want to see now is players Like Russell and Martin rested against Grimsby, it is as scrotty cup game and should be used as a work out for those who did not do the graft tonight. If we win good, if we don't who gives a $hit.



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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 10:23 pm

    "Rested"????

    This should be considered as the next game in my opinion, not the chance to rest players and give squad members a run out, that time will come later once an understanding between first eleven players is there and working.
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    Post by rjrules71 on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 10:25 pm

    just a foot note

    Wonder how long it will take for the dogs to plummet from top to bottom Down with Forest Down with Forest
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    Post by Rowditch Ram on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 11:05 pm

    Thought we looked very average against a poor team. Workmanlike and better in defence than last season but missing the skill of Ince and Hughes. Improved second half, chances to get three points but poor finishing and decisions. Two points dropped rather than one gained IMHO. Vydra made the difference when he came on but overall underwhelmed
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    Re: Sunderland 1-1 Derby reports and comments

    Post by Stockport Ram on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 11:07 pm

    chicken wrote:From Twitter - Point away from home. Sky still hate us. McClaren is bitter. Decent night #dcfc

    TheMan with the "Hair Island" said that Ince gave us 15 goals AND 15 ASSISTS.


    I rest my case M'Lud.
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    Re: Sunderland 1-1 Derby reports and comments

    Post by DavesaRam on Fri 04 Aug 2017, 11:26 pm

    You can tell that the footy is back, because I have just remembered that I hate referees. He was almost as biased as the Sky pundits.

    Martin wrestled off the ball twice, nothing given. Ball hits the hand of a Sunderland defender from Johnson's back-heel, nothing given, although it would have been harsh. Butterfield pushed from behind on his way through the area and in on goal, nothing given. Butterfield tripped going for a through ball in the area, nothing given. Butterfield looses his balance and catches the ball with his upper arm, which he is trying to move out of the way, PENALTY!!!! Keogh shoved off the ball at a corner, nothing given. Davies wrestled off balance during the same incident, no penalty. A Sunderland player goes flying in on Vydra, studs up and off the floor, no red card- why the hell not? Vaughn diving in the penalty area, no yellow card. They are supposed to be cracking down on diving this year.

    We were pretty poor tonight for much of the match, and what is supposed to be our new found strength, our defence, was very wobbly, especially at corners and free- kicks. Our passing was poor first half, and it seems that only virtually all the other teams in the world can head a defensive ball to their own team-mates. Not us and we rarely have. Just head it somewhere, usually to the opposition.

    I was glad when Vydra came on, and he livened the game up, as I expected, because he can control the ball when he gets it, and then do something with it, and we seemed to be able to spot some of his off-the-ball runs, which bodes well for the future.

    I was well impressed with Wisdom, who was probably the best player on the pitch, and is probably the best right-back in the league.

    I am wondering if Fletcher's revelations about the disarray was in fact a smokescreen to lull us into expecting a stroll in the park. It turned into a Gary Rowett summer workout, and for much of the match, Sunderland were the better team. On another day they could have had a couple more goals, but then four out of the five penalty shouts were pretty valid. Especially if the Sunderland penalty was justifiable, there should have been at least two for us.

    I hope this was just a case of needing to blow the cobwebs away in a proper match situation, and Gary will get us clicking sooner rather than later. Otherwise it is going to be a long season.

    At lest the Sky pundits got one thing right - "if you are watching a scary movie, you don't want him (Richard Keogh) looking through the window!
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    Post by valakari on Sat 05 Aug 2017, 12:21 am

    But wtf was Butterfield doing on the pitch...ffs Gary, he is shit..and if he had picked Bryson we would probably have won. Please don't pick him again..he should be no where near the team...ive been saying it for over a year now..just wish Mr Rowett could see this!
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    Post by KeoghKeogh on Sat 05 Aug 2017, 6:52 am

    It was similar to the Hoffenhiem friendly except we were up aganst a weaker team in Sunderland.

    Weimann and Russell were busy. Martin looked isolated and rusty in front of goal (poor miss).Vydra looked lively and deserves a start. Nugent didn't take his chance.

    Davies looked rocky at times. Wisdom looked strong. Forsyth struggled a bit when under pressure defensively. Huddlestone made passing look easy.

    ...and the 'press' didn't go to the captain, Keogh for the post match on-pitch interview.

    The main differences IMHO were that Johnson had calmed down and Carson played well. Keogh didnt make an idiot of himself with blaming others and playing to the crowd.

    From both games, we need to sort out the service to Martin, he needs to sharpen up as does Nuget, Davies needs to be a bit more consistent and Forsyth needs cover or to stand up more when defending out wide.




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    Post by MadAmster on Sat 05 Aug 2017, 9:48 am

    Carson - MOTM IMO for keeping us in the game
    Wisdom - solid performance but does have to be more aware when in possession and not give it away.
    Keogh - Played well. Has he learnt something over the summer or is it Davies' calming influence
    Davies - Played well but I am not convinced by his defensive heading capabilities so far. Good on the floor
    Forsyth - Was knackered after about 75 minutes and should IMO have been subbed. Luckily it didn't cost us.
    Johnson - Put himself about both in attack and in defence, took his goal well
    Huddlestone - Class. Not perfect but well class.
    Butterfield - Unfortunate and poor. There are as many refs who wouldn't have given the penalty as those who would. When he was brought down in their area, it was at least as much a penalty as theirs. Also did a couple of good things going forward BUT, defensively? Can't tackle. Has no idea where to position himself. Doesn't know how to jockey a player where he wants him. Goes in rashly and is oh so easily left floundering. This is NOT the player who was at Huddersfield. It is NOT the player who started well at DCFC. This is someone who needs a rest and some coaching and a double dose of confidence.
    Weimann - ran around a lot, to some effect defensively but not up top where it matters.
    Martin - Didn't get 3 or 4 free kicks he should have because of his reputation and his habit of falling down. Isolated much of the time. Got very little good ball. The one real chance he got was ballooned over. I am unsure as to whether he overran the ball which made it hard for him to shoot on target or whether the pass was behind him and he made the best possible from it. Surprised no-one has mentioned his part in the goal. Great pass from Tom, great work from JR to get past the full back and cross, great move by Martin who made a run towards the far post and took 2 defenders with him which left BJ in acres of space to slot home.
    Russell - Played well. I have covered his part in the goal. He defended well and probably deserved his place above Bennett.

    Referee? A right Jodrell if there ever was one. The first two penalty incidents have been covered above. As have things he missed. But, come on, that pull by Kone on Davies........... that was a 100% nailed on certainty of a penalty and he didn't give it. How he missed that AND the simultaneous push on Keogh........ however, we would probably have missed the penalty anyway Wink plus, in all honesty, a draw was the most we deserved from the game.
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    Re: Sunderland 1-1 Derby reports and comments

    Post by Stockport Ram on Sat 05 Aug 2017, 9:54 am

    MadAmster wrote:Carson - MOTM IMO for keeping us in the game
    Wisdom - solid performance but does have to be more aware when in possession and not give it away.
    Keogh - Played well. Has he learnt something over the summer or is it Davies' calming influence
    Davies - Played well but I am not convinced by his defensive heading capabilities so far. Good on the floor
    Forsyth - Was knackered after about 75 minutes and should IMO have been subbed. Luckily it didn't cost us.
    Johnson - Put himself about both in attack and in defence, took his goal well
    Huddlestone - Class. Not perfect but well class.
    Butterfield - Unfortunate and poor. There are as many refs who wouldn't have given the penalty as those who would. When he was brought down in their area, it was at least as much a penalty as theirs. Also did a couple of good things going forward BUT, defensively? Can't tackle. Has no idea where to position himself. Doesn't know how to jockey a player where he wants him. Goes in rashly and is oh so easily left floundering. This is NOT the player who was at Huddersfield. It is NOT the player who started well at DCFC. This is someone who needs a rest and some coaching and a double dose of confidence.
    Weimann - ran around a lot, to some effect defensively but not up top where it matters.
    Martin - Didn't get 3 or 4 free kicks he should have because of his reputation and his habit of falling down. Isolated much of the time. Got very little good ball. The one real chance he got was ballooned over. I am unsure as to whether he overran the ball which made it hard for him to shoot on target or whether the pass was behind him and he made the best possible from it. Surprised no-one has mentioned his part in the goal. Great pass from Tom, great work from JR to get past the full back and cross, great move by Martin who made a run towards the far post and took 2 defenders with him which left BJ in acres of space to slot home.
    Russell - Played well. I have covered his part in the goal. He defended well and probably deserved his place above Bennett.

    Referee? A right Jodrell if there ever was one. The first two penalty incidents have been covered above. As have things he missed. But, come on, that pull by Kone on Davies........... that was a 100% nailed on certainty of a penalty and he didn't give it. How he missed that AND the simultaneous push on Keogh........ however, we would probably have missed the penalty anyway Wink  plus, in all honesty, a draw was the most we deserved from the game.


    Spot on as usual.

    Much more solid as a defensive unit. If we can find some genuine width we'll be a threat.
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    Post by valakari on Sat 05 Aug 2017, 10:02 am

    need the creativity for Martin, Nugent and Vydra. Strikers need more than one chance per game. Weimann and Butterfield definitely not the answer and maybe Russell should be a bench player.
    The other 8 plus the 2 subs that came on are fine.
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    Post by bramhallram on Sat 05 Aug 2017, 2:33 pm

    A point away from home in a game we could easily have lost, but based on that performance there's a lot of work needed in all parts of the team.

    Not as convincing as I expected when defending free kicks and corners, or when trying to stop crosses coming in from open play. Obviously it's early days for the defensive unit, but we were lucky to end the first half on level terms.

    Little creativity from midfield until late in the game. Butterfield is not the answer. I was hoping to see more from Huddlestone, especially after his stunning pass that set up our goal. Why didn't we see more of the same ?

    You can't fault Russell or Weiman for effort. They ran around all evening and tracked back to help out, but we need much better passing and crossing from them. Russell did well in the build up to our goal, but too often his end product was usually a misplaced pass. We need better than that. The same can be said for Weiman.

    I hope GR hasn't given up trying to bring in a couple more players.

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    Post by prideParkhead on Sat 05 Aug 2017, 3:44 pm

    An average first game, but that is to be expected. Still a long way off being a team who can challenge for the top 2 places. Pedestrian build up as usual and some worrying pin-ball moments in our box from crosses.
    The millions spent on Butters looking increasingly like one of the worst bits of business in our history. Likewise Johnson. Martin does not look any sharper than when we off loaded him last season and his body shape on that sitter was Sunday League standard.

    On a positive note Wisdom settled in well and Vydra made a difference when he came on. We need creativity and a bit of pace. I would like to see us promote some of the youth team than blow millions on the likes of Lawrence but not sure Rowett would risk that with our chairman's track record
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    Post by rob on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 11:41 am

    am glad I watched the same game as some of you

    GK - Carson MOTM
    defence - still marking space and struggling to clear the lines - Keogh mostly tidy which was a nice surprise
    midfield - tom played ball nicely but whole mid lacked energy - needed top of form Bryson or similar - and butterfield should be paid off
    supporting cast - wiemann disappointed after his pre-season - Russell - full of energy but wastefull as ever
    martin - shame about this miss and the ref clearly does not like him
    Vydra and Nugent - start them next league game

    I too feel this is two points lost rather than one gained - but we will be comfortable in mid table (with Sunderland) if we perform like this all season.

    Still - glass half full - we know they can play better than this....
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    Post by valakari on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 11:46 am

    Get rid of Butterfield...just nowhere near good enough.
    Put Weimann and Russell on the bench....
    Simples
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    Post by MadAmster on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 1:09 pm

    prideParkhead wrote:An average first game, but that is to be expected. Still a long way off being a team who can challenge for the top 2 places. Pedestrian build up as usual and some worrying pin-ball moments in our box from crosses.
    The millions spent on Butters looking increasingly like one of the worst bits of business in our history. Likewise Johnson. Martin does not look any sharper than when we off loaded him last season and his body shape on that sitter was Sunday League standard.

    On a positive note Wisdom settled in well and Vydra made a difference when he came on. We need creativity and a bit of pace. I would like to see us promote some of the youth team than blow millions on the likes of Lawrence but not sure Rowett would risk that with our chairman's track record

    Still not sure if he overran the ball or if the pass put the ball behind him.....
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    Post by bramhallram on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 1:17 pm

    valakari wrote:Get rid of Butterfield...just nowhere near good enough.
    Put Weimann and Russell on the bench....
    Simples

    Getting rid of Butterfield needs someone to want him. Don't see a queue forming.

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    Post by valakari on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 1:34 pm

    well his ammortised value so as not to lose on FFP would be less than £2m now...i'm sure we could offload him for something around that figure.
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    Post by rob on Tue 08 Aug 2017, 7:58 am

    only if someone is prepared to pay his wages as well - I expect he is on a very decent wad for a bang average to below average second tier player.
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    Post by MadAmster on Tue 08 Aug 2017, 10:32 am

    He looked the part at Uddersfelt, looked the part when he first arrived at DCFC too. Where has that player gone?

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