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    SawleyRam

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    Is this the beginning of the end for QPR?

    Post by SawleyRam on Wed 25 Oct 2017, 3:18 pm

    Sanctions against QPR for breaking FFP regulations in our most recent Wembley final play off defeat season are being initiated at long last, there are appeals to be made but at least the Football League has initiated punishment with a world record 40 million pound fine.

    Will there be justice at last?

    http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11711/11096493/arbitration-panel-rules-against-qpr-over-financial-fair-play-claim
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    Bit late

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Wed 25 Oct 2017, 3:33 pm

    QPR have lost their legal challenge against a huge fine from the EFL for breaking FFP rules during the season they beat us at Wembley. They claimed that they only made a loss of £9.7m whereas they actually made a loss of £69.7m because a £60m injection of cash from Tony Fernandes was disregarded for the purposes of FFP.

    Even though it has no bearing on us,it would be nice to think that they will ultimately be punished for their total disregard of the rules that everybody else was working to.
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    Re: Is this the beginning of the end for QPR?

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Wed 25 Oct 2017, 3:34 pm

    Sorry missed Sawls post, not concentrating.
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    Re: Is this the beginning of the end for QPR?

    Post by MadAmster on Wed 25 Oct 2017, 3:35 pm

    How large a fine is it that they now have to pay?
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    Re: Is this the beginning of the end for QPR?

    Post by MadAmster on Wed 25 Oct 2017, 3:36 pm

    40M................ and worth every penny of it. LOL roll
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    Re: Is this the beginning of the end for QPR?

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Wed 25 Oct 2017, 3:37 pm

    Lets hope so, but it will be a difficult balance for the EFL, to put the future of one their own members in jeopardy by imposing a fine on them, even if it is totally justified.
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    Post by mcsilks on Wed 25 Oct 2017, 4:20 pm

    I really feel for the QPR fans and hope for their sake that this will not see them drop down the leagues. I don't wish ill on any supporters.

    It sickens me that financial decisions over the course of a couple of seasons from fat-cat club owners can have such a devastating long-term effect on a club with a 131 year-old history.

    Can't they simply dock them points and send the perpetrators down?

    And just who is this 3-man arbitration panel?
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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Wed 25 Oct 2017, 5:15 pm

    I think that your sympathy is probably misplaced in this instance mc. This is an owner, rather like our own who was responding to fans calls to buy players at any cost in order to gain promotion and it very nearly worked. If they had survived in the premier league, this fine would now be seen as insignificant.

    As it is they got too many decisions wrong, came back down and are now staring down the barrell, with the same owner in place, so in my opinion the fans will carry some of the blame for any future struggles.
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    Re: Is this the beginning of the end for QPR?

    Post by Stockport Ram on Wed 25 Oct 2017, 6:44 pm

    Not only were we robbed on the field, we were robbed off it too.

    Cheerio.

    At least in athletics proven cheats have their medals removed and expunged from the record books, and replaced with those next in line..................
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    Post by MadAmster on Wed 25 Oct 2017, 8:15 pm

    Stockport Ram wrote:Not only were we robbed on the field, we were robbed off it too.

    Cheerio.

    At least in athletics proven cheats have their medals removed and expunged from the record books, and replaced with those next in line..................

    Could work in football too, except for the fact that they are no longer in the PL. If they were............... but it aint gonna happen in football is it?
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    Post by SawleyRam on Wed 25 Oct 2017, 10:28 pm

    MadAmster wrote:
    Stockport Ram wrote:Not only were we robbed on the field, we were robbed off it too.

    Cheerio.

    At least in athletics proven cheats have their medals removed and expunged from the record books, and replaced with those next in line..................

    Could work in football too, except for the fact that they are no longer in the PL. If they were............... but it aint gonna happen in football is it?

    But that's one of the problems in football today isn't it? Two different bodies controlling 1 game with different rules. If QPR had stayed in the Prem the EFL could not have touched them. But as luck would have it the footballing gods delivered them back into the EFL's hands to receive their punishment.
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    Post by valakari on Thu 26 Oct 2017, 1:01 am

    So we should be promoted retrospectively then!!!?
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    Re: Is this the beginning of the end for QPR?

    Post by New England Ram on Thu 26 Oct 2017, 3:05 am

    Yes screw the fine guarantee us automatic promotion this season plus 100 million compensation LOL



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    Re: Is this the beginning of the end for QPR?

    Post by rob on Thu 26 Oct 2017, 8:11 am

    I think a proportion of that fine should be paid in compensation to the rams - chance of that happening zero - could we take them to court the way Sheff United did with Wet Spam over Carlos Tevez for loss of income.

    I detested that QPR phase - representing everything shite about football today - totally living beyond their means but nobody cared when it bought "success" harry swelling his dogs off shore account by overpaying for crap in the premiershite - could spell disaster for QPR
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    Post by SawleyRam on Thu 26 Oct 2017, 8:41 am

    rob wrote:I think a proportion of that fine should be paid in compensation to the rams - chance of that happening zero - could we take them to court the way Sheff United did with Wet Spam over Carlos Tevez for loss of income.

    I detested that QPR phase - representing everything shite about football today - totally living beyond their means but nobody cared when it bought "success" harry swelling his dogs off shore account by overpaying for crap in the premiershite - could spell disaster for QPR


    The Wet Spam case was far worse. There wasn't just Carlos Tevez there was Javier Mascherano as well who were sold 2 seasons later for a huge amount of money (Tevez to Man U and Mascherano to Liverpool. That is what I call taking the pi$$.
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    Post by outsider on Thu 26 Oct 2017, 10:58 am

    SawleyRam wrote:
    rob wrote:I think a proportion of that fine should be paid in compensation to the rams - chance of that happening zero - could we take them to court the way Sheff United did with Wet Spam over Carlos Tevez for loss of income.

    I detested that QPR phase - representing everything shite about football today - totally living beyond their means but nobody cared when it bought "success" harry swelling his dogs off shore account by overpaying for crap in the premiershite - could spell disaster for QPR


    The Wet Spam case was far worse. There wasn't just Carlos Tevez there was Javier Mascherano as well who were sold 2 seasons later for a huge amount of money (Tevez to Man U and Mascherano to Liverpool. That is what I call taking the pi$$.

    Your right on west ham.
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    Post by valakari on Thu 26 Oct 2017, 1:37 pm

    Thank God we only paid Harry a £million for a few days work. Look at the state we could have got into if he'd stayed any longer. ...Pompey, QPR, Southampton,.....court cases, off shore accounts etc etc etc.....
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    Post by bramhallram on Thu 26 Oct 2017, 2:37 pm

    I don't expect QPR will get much more than a slap on the wrist, London clubs never do. I'd like to see them treated like Glasgow Rangers and thrown out of the league.

    QPR knew what the rules were but chose to ignore them in a desperate attempt to get their noses in the Premier League money trough. If they'd played by the rules we'd almost certainly have beaten them at Wembley, and life could have been very different for us.

    I remember when Cloughie was manager and we qualified for Europe, but 'financial irregularities' meant we got a fine and a ban. One thing's for sure, if it had been Derby in the dock we'd have got a right hammering and we'd be looking up directions to Forest Green and Stevenage by now.

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    Post by DevonRam on Thu 26 Oct 2017, 11:05 pm

    The club should be punished- they broke the rules to the expense of other clubs who were playing by the rules.
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    Post by MadAmster on Fri 27 Oct 2017, 7:50 am

    DevonRam wrote:The club should be punished- they broke the rules to the expense of other clubs who were playing by the rules.

    Indeed they should.

    They will be too. The question is, how hard will they be punished?

    The fine is, currently, £40M.

    They will appeal. They won't escape a fine of some kind but it would not surprise me if they got it reduced and/or were given a payment deal.

    Payment deal? 5M a year over 8 years or something similar.
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    Post by rob on Fri 27 Oct 2017, 9:51 am

    automatic relegation to the bottom tier and a 20 point deduction would hurt them far more than a fine
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    Post by MadAmster on Fri 27 Oct 2017, 10:58 am

    rob wrote:automatic relegation to the bottom tier and a 20 point deduction would hurt them far more than a fine

    Bottom tier? Do you mean bottom tier of the professional game, as happened in Scotland with the 'Gers or to the bottom of the English pyramid, tier 12 or 13 or however many we have?

    As the authorities have already imposed, subject to appeal, a £40M fine, I don't see relegation and points deducted appearing on the agenda.
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    Post by bramhallram on Fri 27 Oct 2017, 1:43 pm

    MadAmster wrote:
    rob wrote:automatic relegation to the bottom tier and a 20 point deduction would hurt them far more than a fine

    Bottom tier? Do you mean bottom tier of the professional game, as happened in Scotland with the 'Gers or to the bottom of the English pyramid, tier 12 or 13 or however many we have?

    As the authorities have already imposed, subject to appeal, a £40M fine, I don't see relegation and points deducted appearing on the agenda.

    Relegation and points deducted won't happen. As for the £40m fine, that will be reduced on appeal and they will be allowed to pay it over a number of seasons. Net effect on QPR ? Nothing major.

    QPR got into the Premiership by breaking the FFP rules. At the very least they should be made to pay back the money they got from being in the Premiership for that one season. It would be a lot more than £40m.

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    Post by rob on Fri 27 Oct 2017, 3:03 pm

    I mean like rangers - division 4 in old money - would set a precedent and maybe - just maybe stop teams doing it.

    It will be more and more irrelevant anyway as the parachute money is getting so absurd that you have to be seriously screwed (aka Sunderland and Villa) to really screw it up - although add Boro to that list - in fact scrap this - we have a chance to do a burnley, Swansea, Huddersfield, Watford, brighton, Bournemouth, Hull (first time) - all clubs that conceivably could be classed as smaller - with smaller relative wage bills (when they got promoted)
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    Post by rob on Fri 27 Oct 2017, 3:08 pm

    I am suddenly feeling more optimistic about our season.....

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