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    Darren Wassall

    Post by MadAmster on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 9:00 am

    Reading the injury update I read Bramhall's post from August saying that Wassall's decision to play GT in a meaningless last game was stupid and unnecessary. A valid view and one he is entitled to.

    From a different perspective, you could say he was applying the "always play your best available XI" logic and/or the "never change a winning team" mantra (previous 6 games were 4 wins followed by 2 draws).

    I am pretty certain GT would have been more than a tad dischuffed if he had been left out and you never expect such horrendous tackles, especially right at the end of the last league game.

    My own view is the latter. Ther is always a risk in any game and you can't put players in cotton wool "just in case".

    Hindsight is always 20/20. If GT had been left out, there would have been an outcry from fans as well as GTs own dischuffedness.

    I look forward to reading other's opinion on this.
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    Re: Darren Wassall

    Post by mcsilks on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 11:00 am

    You should always play your best team. If a player is fit enough to play and better than what we have in that position, he plays.

    This nonsense about GT playing and getting injured being the managers fault is quite frankly ridiculous.

    If anyone is to blame then it is GT. He was probably the one banging on the managers door demanding a place in the starting 11. He knows his own body better than anyone and perhaps he should have chosen to rest up for a little longer than to play.

    I am sick and tired of the 'blame' culture in the modern game when it comes to the managers. The players have to take some responsibility however in this case, the fault for me lies neither in the manager or the player. GT is an injury prone player and that is why for me, he will never be anything more than a slightly better than average Championship player.

    I just hope that he can shed a few pounds and return to that 'slightly better than average championship player'.
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    Re: Darren Wassall

    Post by SawleyRam on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 2:03 pm

    The whole point is that it isn't just the manager or player's decision who decided whether GT was able to play, there's the medical specialists, physio's and fitness team who are involved in the judgement of George's ability to be involved in the match day experience. Are they all to blame?

    GT's ability means so much to the team that if he gets the ok then he plays in every match possible.
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    Re: Darren Wassall

    Post by bramhallram on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 2:20 pm

    mcsilks wrote:You should always play your best team. If a player is fit enough to play and better than what we have in that position, he plays.

    GT is an injury prone player and that is why for me, he will never be anything more than a slightly better than average Championship player.


    Always play your best team ? Really ? An experienced manager would recognise that some games are more important than others and pick his team accordingly.

    You can't call a player injury prone when he gets his leg broken by having some thuggish defender stamp on it.

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    Re: Darren Wassall

    Post by Stockport Ram on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 6:06 pm

    I presume that we are referring to the immediate pre-playoff game.


    On that basis, with nothing to gain and everything to lose, I'm with BR.

    I cannot recall if our opponents had anything riding on the game - if so I would have expected us to play a "strong"ish side (not do what Huddersfield did at Birmingham and rest 10 first choice players, that's just obscene) - but key players like GT or CM could easily have been legitimately rested.

    I'd definitely have played Keogh Wink
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    Re: Darren Wassall

    Post by mcsilks on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 10:56 pm

    bramhallram wrote:
    mcsilks wrote:You should always play your best team. If a player is fit enough to play and better than what we have in that position, he plays.

    GT is an injury prone player and that is why for me, he will never be anything more than a slightly better than average Championship player.

    You can't call a player injury prone when he gets his leg broken by having some thuggish defender stamp on it.

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    GT is an injury prone player. For that reason, he has played few league career games. Granted, he couldn't do much about that particular injury, but he does have a tendency to get injured.
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    Re: Darren Wassall

    Post by valakari on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 12:14 am

    Well because of that ridiculous decision to play him in a meaningless game, it has cost him, the team and the supporters of arguably our best player for 19 months of 1st team action!
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    Re: Darren Wassall

    Post by bramhallram on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 11:26 am

    mcsilks wrote:
    bramhallram wrote:
    mcsilks wrote:You should always play your best team. If a player is fit enough to play and better than what we have in that position, he plays.

    GT is an injury prone player and that is why for me, he will never be anything more than a slightly better than average Championship player.

    You can't call a player injury prone when he gets his leg broken by having some thuggish defender stamp on it.

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    GT is an injury prone player. For that reason, he has played few league career games. Granted, he couldn't do much about that particular injury, but he does have a tendency to get injured.

    I think you're being a bit harsh on GT. All footballers get injuries but since he signed for us in July 2014 he's only had two bad ones.

    The first was the cruciate knee ligament injury he picked up in a pre-season friendly in July 2014 that kept him out for nine months. Will Hughes got the same injury in August 2015 at Bolton. He was out for a similar time and I wouldn't call him injury prone.

    GT's other bad injury was his broken leg in May 2016.

    I'd say he's been unlucky, but hardly injury prone. For what it's worth I'd also say he's the best player in our current squad.

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    Re: Darren Wassall

    Post by MadAmster on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 12:09 pm

    Basically just the 3 injuries. Left ACL, right ACL and a double break. 3 injuries with long recuperation (9 to 12 months ACL and this break has cost a year and a half).
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    Re: Darren Wassall

    Post by mcsilks on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 1:22 pm

    MadAmster wrote:Basically just the 3 injuries. Left ACL, right ACL and a double break. 3 injuries with long recuperation (9 to 12 months ACL and this break has cost a year and a half).

    That's quite the record for a player who's only 24. Little wonder he's played less than 90 club career games.

    Maybe another player we'll be paying wages to who's spending more time on the treatment table than on the pitch.

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    Re: Darren Wassall

    Post by valakari on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:06 pm

    Maybe he should just play him..his contract is up in the summer so he needs to play now!
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    Re: Darren Wassall

    Post by Angus1 on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 3:59 pm

    The injury was just bad luck, his attitude in his recovery not so. At the time a ridiculous call by Wassall to play a full team in a nothing fixture, when what followed could have set the club up for years. The disasterous outcome was predictable and Wassall inexplicably still remains at the club, clogging the youth system up with crap, while down the A52 their structure provides a steady stream for the first-team, with more to come. Another no-hoper Wassall son plays for the stiffs at present, nepotism in football = failiure.
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    Re: Darren Wassall

    Post by bramhallram on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 7:23 pm

    Angus1 wrote:The injury was just bad luck, his attitude in his recovery not so. At the time a ridiculous call by Wassall to play a full team in a nothing fixture, when what followed could have set the club up for years. The disasterous outcome was predictable and Wassall inexplicably still remains at the club, clogging the youth system up with crap, while down the A52 their structure provides a steady stream for the first-team, with more to come. Another no-hoper Wassall son plays for the stiffs at present, nepotism in football = failiure.

    I've heard it said Mr Wassall has friends in high places.

    I couldn't possibly comment.

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