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    Derby 2-0 QPR reports and comments

    Post by RRC on Tue 21 Nov 2017, 9:56 pm

    The Rams made one change to the team that drew with Fulham on Saturday
    with Weimann replacing the injured Johnson. Lawrence switched to the left.

    Carson
    Baird Keogh Davies Forsyth
    Huddlestone Ledley
    Weimann Vydra Lawrence
    Nugent

    subs: Mitchell Pearce Hanson Thorne Russell Thomas Martin

    The first half began with some hard tackling by both teams but no fluency from
    either of them. QPR did most of the attacking without threatening too much. The
    Rams pressed higher to harry the QPR defence and rob them in midfield but they
    often lost the ball too easily through inaccurate passing and poor control. A fine
    pass from Huddlestone to Lawrence led to a half chance for Vydra. Weimann was
    quick enough to get to the by-line and to provide some fine crosses, and Baird
    also put in some good crosses. But Derby's attacking spell was short-lived.



    The few shots came from QPR, when Derby were caught over-playing, and from
    Lawrence, who made his own chances. All the shots were off target. Our attacks
    often failed because they were too slow, and the players didn't move into space to
    offer themselves for a pass. QPR grew in confidence as they contained the Rams
    with little difficulty and they won the first corner of the match after 32 mins.
    As the half went on, the Rams seemed too frightened of making mistakes to be
    positive and try to win. They lacked the imagination, creativity and movement to
    offer a threat until a great ball from Huddlestone to Weimann set him free to race
    foward with the ball from his own half and to make a chance for Vydra to score
    his 9th goal of the season in extra time.
    HT Derby 1-0 QPR

    Derby started the second half like the first, slow and negative, until Weimann
    used his terrific speed again to set up Lawrence to score his first goal for Derby
    on 53 minutes. Nugent scuffed an excellent chance to add a third goal and Ledley
    made another for Lawrence. Weimann made more fine runs and excellent passes
    but the chances were wasted or blocked. Huddlestone kept the ball moving in the
    middle, so QPR had little respite from the Rams' attacks. The Derby defence was
    generally solid, but a lapse allowed QPR to win their second corner and Mackie
    should have scored with his header.



    Martin replaced Nugent and Thorne came on for Vydra on 78 minutes. QPR had
    more of the possession as the half closed but neither side offered a serious threat.
    Martin had a chance, he beat the keeper but he was tackled before he could shoot.
    Luke Thomas replaced Lawrence, making his debut on 89 minutes. The game
    petered out in the final minutes. Both teams were very poor from the start but
    Derby improved enough in the second half to ensure a fifth home win.
    FT Derby 2-0 QPR

    Derby moved back into the playoffs with Forest just behind them in 7th, though
    both could be overtaken when Boro and Leeds play on Wednesday. Our recent
    opponents did rather well tonight - Fulham won 5-4 at Sheffield Utd and Reading
    drew 2-2 at Bolton.



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    Post by norfolkram on Tue 21 Nov 2017, 9:59 pm

    Bleeding awful first half, not much better second profligate in front of goal but it's a win and 3 points
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    Post by valakari on Tue 21 Nov 2017, 10:26 pm

    Awful describes it perfectly. Better 2nd half..but play like that at Middlesboro and we will be lucky to escape with a nil nil. On a positive note good to get Thorne, Martin and young Luke Thomas on the pitch.
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    Post by ShardlowSheep on Tue 21 Nov 2017, 10:54 pm

    First half awful but second half a lot better and we could have had 3 or 4 with better finishing. First half we just kept hitting the long ball from right back giving Lawrence little chance to bring the ball down. About passing was very poor in that period but much improved in the second half
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    Post by MadAmster on Wed 22 Nov 2017, 9:24 am

    Plusses -

    Hudds. Tackling, passing as we know he can, 2 great balls to Weimann that led to both goals.
    Lawro - lost his cherry and will fly now
    Keog and Davies rocks at the back
    Weimann. Where has he been hiding that performance
    Vydra. 11 shots on target this season, 9 goals.

    Minuses -
    Lack of urgency 1st half
    Poor passing leading to constant loss of possession
    Too many negative passes
    Fozzy done for speed by their right back on a couple of occasions and please, please learn to use your right foot. Every time you get the ball with your back to the sideline we KNOW the pass will be left footed and backwards.

    Pleased with the 3 points, not with the performance. A repeat of the first half performance on Saturday will see Boro stuff us at a ground we rarely get anything from.
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    Post by valakari on Wed 22 Nov 2017, 3:07 pm

    Time for Martin and Thorne to start imo
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    Post by DavesaRam on Wed 22 Nov 2017, 5:48 pm

    There can't be any more excuses after this. IT may seem a harsh way to start my match views, especially after a win, but it will hopefully become clear.

    The match opened in a lively way, with QPR being very physical, but Derby biting into the challenges and closing QPR down. Both teams seemed to be making a go of it, with neither producing much of a threat, but for about 20 minutes Derby started taking the game to the visitors, and the threat level increased. It seems that Weimann was played so that we could play the ball into the channels to get behind their defence with Weimman and Lawrence, maybe expecting a parked bus situation. It looked like it might work, but didn't because of consistent poor passing.

    But after 20 minutes we reverted to type, dilly-dallying around at the back, and with endless sideways passing, followed by a long distance pinged ball towards the channels, but was either over hit, or under hit, or straight to the opposition. It was dire, and it made QPR look way better than they were. This was in part because virtually every team we play seem to be able to find their men almost whenever they pass the ball, whereas we have never been able to put more than 3 passes together before losing it, and of those "successful" passes, there aren't to feet, meaning that the receiving player has to readjust his path to get the ball. This wasn't just last night, it has been a factor for years, apart from during Stevie Mac 1.

    The half was abjectly petering towards the break when suddenly Huddlestone managed to find his own player, and Weimman was away - GOAL! At last an accurate pass, with the results that can bring. Or we had spent most of the half lulling QPR into a false sense of security, thinking that we'll never make much of a threat with passing like that!

    We hit the second half much more up-beat, once more taking the game to QPR, and looked really threatening. And as in the first half, us pressing forwards made Rangers look the poor side that they are. And once the second goal went in, they were on the rack for quite some time. Much. much better, and although we weren't outstanding, we showed what we are capable of.

    And that is the issue - for 20 minutes in the first half we looked capable of winning easily, and repeated it for much of the second half. We have now "gone public" with what we can do, so there are no excuses for hiding it away trying to not let them win, or trying to hold on to a 1-0 lead, and certainly no excuses for faffing about with Clement-style passing nowhere quickly.

    Some people have said that Keogh and Davies were rock-solid, but in reality the defence were guilty of over-passing, and of giving the ball away too many times, even laying on a great chance late on in the first half. Weimman quite rightly got the Man of the Match award, with Vydra not far behind, largely because of his intelligent and creative ideas, meaning that he was on a different planet for much of the first half, so it was only fitting that he got the first goal. I think everyone was delighted with Tom Lawrence's first goal, and that second goal released the Rams into playing with a freedom we have rarely seen. Huddlestone was back to what we expected he would be like, pinging the ball everywhere with accuracy, and Lawrence looking like he was an international star already. He has such a lot of potential, and we will probably get to see it blossom from now on.

    It was great to see Thorne back on the pitch, but such a shame he didn't come on much earlier, especially once we had scored the second goal. Rowett has said that he needs match time to get up to speed, and is holding back from starting him because he wants the team to remain competitive. George played one bad pass, but loads of good ones and a few beauties, but he had hardly got settled into the game before the whistle blew for full-time.

    Overall, despite the dire disappointment for much of the first half, it was a satisfying result, but we need to carry the "front-foot" approach we gave us the result consistently forwards, and lose the "hold-back and try not to lose" mentality which appears far too often. And I think Gary Rowett needs to be a bit more courageous with his team selections and tactics.
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    Post by KeoghKeogh on Thu 23 Nov 2017, 6:45 am

    A quality post-match post as always. Our inability to pass the ball from midfield through a high line of defenders to our forwards was apparent again (as V Reading).

    Unlike Reading, QPR were cluless when they had the ball.

    I don't often agree with the poor man's Robbie Savage (Ramage), but he has got a point when he says that we don't look like a side that has much player to player understanding. At this point in the season, with several experienced players and with a fairly settled midfield and front line we should not be having these problems.

    GR seems able to coach well on the whole, but with Kevin Phillips in the coaching team we ought to be doing better v teams with Reading and QPR's high line.
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    Post by SawleyRam on Thu 23 Nov 2017, 12:10 pm

    DavesaRam wrote:There can't be any more excuses after this. IT may seem a harsh way to start my match views, especially after a win, but it will hopefully become clear.

    The match opened in a lively way, with QPR being very physical, but Derby biting into the challenges and closing QPR down. Both teams seemed to be making a go of it, with neither producing much of a threat, but for about 20 minutes Derby started taking the game to the visitors, and the threat level increased. It seems that Weimann was played so that we could play the ball into the channels to get behind their defence with Weimman and Lawrence, maybe expecting a parked bus situation. It looked like it might work, but didn't because of consistent poor passing.

    But after 20 minutes we reverted to type, dilly-dallying around at the back, and with endless sideways passing, followed by a long distance pinged ball towards the channels, but was either over hit, or under hit, or straight to the opposition. It was dire, and it made QPR look way better than they were. This was in part because virtually every team we play seem to be able to find their men almost whenever they pass the ball, whereas we have never been able to put more than 3 passes together before losing it, and of those "successful" passes, there aren't to feet, meaning that the receiving player has to readjust his path to get the ball. This wasn't just last night, it has been a factor for years, apart from during Stevie Mac 1.

    The half was abjectly petering towards the break when suddenly Huddlestone managed to find his own  player, and Weimman was away - GOAL! At last an accurate pass, with the results that can bring. Or we had spent most of the half lulling QPR into a false sense of security, thinking that we'll never make much of a threat with passing like that!

    We hit the second half much more up-beat, once more taking the game to QPR, and looked really threatening. And as in the first half, us pressing forwards made Rangers look the poor side that they are. And once the second goal went in, they were on the rack for quite some time. Much. much better, and although we weren't outstanding, we showed what we are capable of.

    And that is the issue - for 20 minutes in the first half we looked capable of winning easily, and repeated it for much of the second half. We have now "gone public" with what we can do, so there are no excuses for hiding it away trying to not let them win, or trying to hold on to a 1-0 lead, and certainly no excuses for faffing about with Clement-style passing nowhere quickly.

    Some people have said that Keogh and Davies were rock-solid, but in reality the defence were guilty of over-passing, and of giving the ball away too many times, even laying on a great chance late on in the first half. Weimman quite rightly got the Man of the Match award, with Vydra not far behind, largely because of his intelligent and creative ideas, meaning that he was on a different planet for much of the first half, so it was only fitting that he got the first goal. I think everyone was delighted with Tom Lawrence's first goal, and that second goal released the Rams into playing with a freedom we have rarely seen. Huddlestone was back to what we expected he would be like, pinging the ball everywhere with accuracy, and Lawrence looking like he was an international star already. He has such a lot of potential, and we will probably get to see it blossom from now on.

    It was great to see Thorne back on the pitch, but such a shame he didn't come on much earlier, especially once we had scored the second goal. Rowett has said that he needs match time to get up to speed, and is holding back from starting him because he wants the team to remain competitive. George played one bad pass, but loads of good ones and a few beauties, but he had hardly got settled into the game before the whistle blew for full-time.

    Overall, despite the dire disappointment for much of the first half, it was a satisfying result, but we need to carry the "front-foot" approach we gave us the result consistently forwards, and lose the "hold-back and try not to lose" mentality which appears far too often. And I think Gary Rowett needs to be a bit more courageous with his team selections and tactics.

    Love reading your reports Dave but this one is well below your usual standard....................you didn't mention the referee once! Hurt
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    Post by DavesaRam on Thu 23 Nov 2017, 8:17 pm

    SawleyRam wrote:
    DavesaRam wrote:There can't be any more excuses after this. IT may seem a harsh way to start my match views, especially after a win, but it will hopefully become clear.

    The match opened in a lively way, with QPR being very physical, but Derby biting into the challenges and closing QPR down. Both teams seemed to be making a go of it, with neither producing much of a threat, but for about 20 minutes Derby started taking the game to the visitors, and the threat level increased. It seems that Weimann was played so that we could play the ball into the channels to get behind their defence with Weimman and Lawrence, maybe expecting a parked bus situation. It looked like it might work, but didn't because of consistent poor passing.

    But after 20 minutes we reverted to type, dilly-dallying around at the back, and with endless sideways passing, followed by a long distance pinged ball towards the channels, but was either over hit, or under hit, or straight to the opposition. It was dire, and it made QPR look way better than they were. This was in part because virtually every team we play seem to be able to find their men almost whenever they pass the ball, whereas we have never been able to put more than 3 passes together before losing it, and of those "successful" passes, there aren't to feet, meaning that the receiving player has to readjust his path to get the ball. This wasn't just last night, it has been a factor for years, apart from during Stevie Mac 1.

    The half was abjectly petering towards the break when suddenly Huddlestone managed to find his own  player, and Weimman was away - GOAL! At last an accurate pass, with the results that can bring. Or we had spent most of the half lulling QPR into a false sense of security, thinking that we'll never make much of a threat with passing like that!

    We hit the second half much more up-beat, once more taking the game to QPR, and looked really threatening. And as in the first half, us pressing forwards made Rangers look the poor side that they are. And once the second goal went in, they were on the rack for quite some time. Much. much better, and although we weren't outstanding, we showed what we are capable of.

    And that is the issue - for 20 minutes in the first half we looked capable of winning easily, and repeated it for much of the second half. We have now "gone public" with what we can do, so there are no excuses for hiding it away trying to not let them win, or trying to hold on to a 1-0 lead, and certainly no excuses for faffing about with Clement-style passing nowhere quickly.

    Some people have said that Keogh and Davies were rock-solid, but in reality the defence were guilty of over-passing, and of giving the ball away too many times, even laying on a great chance late on in the first half. Weimman quite rightly got the Man of the Match award, with Vydra not far behind, largely because of his intelligent and creative ideas, meaning that he was on a different planet for much of the first half, so it was only fitting that he got the first goal. I think everyone was delighted with Tom Lawrence's first goal, and that second goal released the Rams into playing with a freedom we have rarely seen. Huddlestone was back to what we expected he would be like, pinging the ball everywhere with accuracy, and Lawrence looking like he was an international star already. He has such a lot of potential, and we will probably get to see it blossom from now on.

    It was great to see Thorne back on the pitch, but such a shame he didn't come on much earlier, especially once we had scored the second goal. Rowett has said that he needs match time to get up to speed, and is holding back from starting him because he wants the team to remain competitive. George played one bad pass, but loads of good ones and a few beauties, but he had hardly got settled into the game before the whistle blew for full-time.

    Overall, despite the dire disappointment for much of the first half, it was a satisfying result, but we need to carry the "front-foot" approach we gave us the result consistently forwards, and lose the "hold-back and try not to lose" mentality which appears far too often. And I think Gary Rowett needs to be a bit more courageous with his team selections and tactics.

    Love reading your reports Dave but this one is well below your usual standard....................you didn't mention the referee once! Hurt

    OK. Just for Sawley!

    QPR quickly started to brandish their range of cynical challenges, but the ref clamped down on it almost immediately. I initially thought "At last! A good ref!", but then came to my senses and realised that we had just seen the one good decision in Derby's favour! He wasn't too bad, actually during the first half, where the assistant looking after Derby's half wasn't able to see the ball cross the line whilst looking all the way along it, neither did he see a double-handed push in the back on Forsyth right in front of him. The other assistant contrived to give Lawrence offside from within his own half, but they weren't too bad, either.

    Second half came, and it was apparent the the fierce clamping down on professional fouls was in fact a fake roar of a lion, as he was giving decisions left, right and centre to the Rangers, and allowing all manner of cheating by them. This included stopping the game while of theirs change his boots while still on the pitch(!!!), and finally a really obvious pull-back on George Thorne which almost sent him into a pirouette. The ref clearly didn't want to give it, but with virtually all the Derby players standing with their hands in the air, and the crowd going bonkers, he finally blew for the foul and absolute age after the actual offence.
    We do get 'em, don't we?

    In all honesty, he was one of the better refs, although it is pretty sad when we can come to that conclusion based on his performance. Could have been worse, it could have been either of the Madley madheads, with the other one running the line!

    Sweet dreams! Nervous
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    Post by SawleyRam on Thu 23 Nov 2017, 10:42 pm

    DavesaRam wrote:
    SawleyRam wrote:
    DavesaRam wrote:There can't be any more excuses after this. IT may seem a harsh way to start my match views, especially after a win, but it will hopefully become clear.

    The match opened in a lively way, with QPR being very physical, but Derby biting into the challenges and closing QPR down. Both teams seemed to be making a go of it, with neither producing much of a threat, but for about 20 minutes Derby started taking the game to the visitors, and the threat level increased. It seems that Weimann was played so that we could play the ball into the channels to get behind their defence with Weimman and Lawrence, maybe expecting a parked bus situation. It looked like it might work, but didn't because of consistent poor passing.

    But after 20 minutes we reverted to type, dilly-dallying around at the back, and with endless sideways passing, followed by a long distance pinged ball towards the channels, but was either over hit, or under hit, or straight to the opposition. It was dire, and it made QPR look way better than they were. This was in part because virtually every team we play seem to be able to find their men almost whenever they pass the ball, whereas we have never been able to put more than 3 passes together before losing it, and of those "successful" passes, there aren't to feet, meaning that the receiving player has to readjust his path to get the ball. This wasn't just last night, it has been a factor for years, apart from during Stevie Mac 1.

    The half was abjectly petering towards the break when suddenly Huddlestone managed to find his own  player, and Weimman was away - GOAL! At last an accurate pass, with the results that can bring. Or we had spent most of the half lulling QPR into a false sense of security, thinking that we'll never make much of a threat with passing like that!

    We hit the second half much more up-beat, once more taking the game to QPR, and looked really threatening. And as in the first half, us pressing forwards made Rangers look the poor side that they are. And once the second goal went in, they were on the rack for quite some time. Much. much better, and although we weren't outstanding, we showed what we are capable of.

    And that is the issue - for 20 minutes in the first half we looked capable of winning easily, and repeated it for much of the second half. We have now "gone public" with what we can do, so there are no excuses for hiding it away trying to not let them win, or trying to hold on to a 1-0 lead, and certainly no excuses for faffing about with Clement-style passing nowhere quickly.

    Some people have said that Keogh and Davies were rock-solid, but in reality the defence were guilty of over-passing, and of giving the ball away too many times, even laying on a great chance late on in the first half. Weimman quite rightly got the Man of the Match award, with Vydra not far behind, largely because of his intelligent and creative ideas, meaning that he was on a different planet for much of the first half, so it was only fitting that he got the first goal. I think everyone was delighted with Tom Lawrence's first goal, and that second goal released the Rams into playing with a freedom we have rarely seen. Huddlestone was back to what we expected he would be like, pinging the ball everywhere with accuracy, and Lawrence looking like he was an international star already. He has such a lot of potential, and we will probably get to see it blossom from now on.

    It was great to see Thorne back on the pitch, but such a shame he didn't come on much earlier, especially once we had scored the second goal. Rowett has said that he needs match time to get up to speed, and is holding back from starting him because he wants the team to remain competitive. George played one bad pass, but loads of good ones and a few beauties, but he had hardly got settled into the game before the whistle blew for full-time.

    Overall, despite the dire disappointment for much of the first half, it was a satisfying result, but we need to carry the "front-foot" approach we gave us the result consistently forwards, and lose the "hold-back and try not to lose" mentality which appears far too often. And I think Gary Rowett needs to be a bit more courageous with his team selections and tactics.

    Love reading your reports Dave but this one is well below your usual standard....................you didn't mention the referee once! Hurt

    OK. Just for Sawley!

    QPR quickly started to brandish their range of cynical challenges, but the ref clamped down on it almost immediately. I initially thought "At last! A good ref!", but then came to my senses and realised that we had just seen the one good decision in Derby's favour! He wasn't too bad, actually during the first half, where the assistant looking after Derby's half wasn't able to see the ball cross the line whilst looking all the way along it, neither did he see a double-handed push in the back on Forsyth right in front of him. The other assistant contrived to give Lawrence offside from within his own half, but they weren't too bad, either.

    Second half came, and it was apparent the the fierce clamping down on professional fouls was in fact a fake roar of a lion, as he was giving decisions left, right and centre to the Rangers, and allowing all manner of cheating by them. This included stopping the game while of theirs change his boots while still on the pitch(!!!), and finally a really obvious pull-back on George Thorne which almost sent him into a pirouette. The ref clearly didn't want to give it, but with virtually all the Derby players standing with their hands in the air, and the crowd going bonkers, he finally blew for the foul and absolute age after the actual offence.
    We do get 'em, don't we?

    In all honesty, he was one of the better refs, although it is pretty sad when we can come to that conclusion based on his performance. Could have been worse, it could have been either of the Madley madheads, with the other one running the line!

    Sweet dreams!  Nervous

    Thanks Dave, now after marking your score again I will give you a pass. dancer

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