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    Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by SawleyRam on Tue 19 Dec 2017, 2:06 am

    Weimann on the right, Russell or Lawrence on the left drifting to a central position. Vydra as a proper number 10, Martin or Nugent up front, a defensive mid two of Hudds and Ledley allowing Keogh with his ball control to blossom as an extra midfielder. A experienced defensive CH in Davies who sits when Keogh ventures forward. Baird and Fozzy to defend and occasionally raid down the flanks with the best English goalkeeper in the FL between the sticks. George Thorne, Bradley Johnson and Andre Wisdom with several youngsters awaiting in the wings, what's not to like? ROUND PEGS IN ROUND HOLES
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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by MadAmster on Tue 19 Dec 2017, 9:17 am

    SawleyRam wrote: ROUND PEGS IN ROUND HOLES

    Been a while coming but now it's here, it seems to be working. Strange Clement, SM, Pearo and others never worked that out......... ;)
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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by Jackal on Tue 19 Dec 2017, 2:46 pm

    MadAmster wrote:
    SawleyRam wrote: ROUND PEGS IN ROUND HOLES

    Been a while coming but now it's here, it seems to be working. Strange Clement, SM, Pearo and others never worked that out......... ;)
    But yet some fans would like to see Keogh and Vydra moved into central midfield positions. I don't think either of them are central midfielders and are/will be far more effective where they're currently playing.
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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by bramhallram on Tue 19 Dec 2017, 4:44 pm

    Jackal wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    SawleyRam wrote: ROUND PEGS IN ROUND HOLES

    Been a while coming but now it's here, it seems to be working. Strange Clement, SM, Pearo and others never worked that out......... ;)
    But yet some fans would like to see Keogh and Vydra moved into central midfield positions. I don't think either of them are central midfielders and are/will be far more effective where they're currently playing.

    Those fans clearly don't know much about football. Vydra excels at snapping up chances in the penalty area, and is one of the top goalscorers in the EFL. He would be totally wasted in midfield. Keogh is a decent centre back with the right players alongside him, but his occasional trademark surge forward from defence doesn't make him a candidate for a midfield role.

    Let's not go back to the days of square pegs.

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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by MadAmster on Wed 20 Dec 2017, 8:31 am

    bramhallram wrote:
    Jackal wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:
    SawleyRam wrote: ROUND PEGS IN ROUND HOLES

    Been a while coming but now it's here, it seems to be working. Strange Clement, SM, Pearo and others never worked that out......... ;)
    But yet some fans would like to see Keogh and Vydra moved into central midfield positions. I don't think either of them are central midfielders and are/will be far more effective where they're currently playing.

    Those fans clearly don't know much about football. Vydra excels at snapping up chances in the penalty area, and is one of the top goalscorers in the EFL. He would be totally wasted in midfield. Keogh is a decent centre back with the right players alongside him, but his occasional trademark surge forward from defence doesn't make him a candidate for a midfield role.


    Let's not go back to the days of square pegs.

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    I am guilty of posting that, however, I would like to add that I followed the comment with a Wink It was not so much a request to have him play there but an acknowledgment of his pass from the back to Nugent from which Nugent scored and that slide rule job to JR last weekend. I have said on several threads that we lack a midfielder who can open up a defence with that killer pass. Keys has done it twice in recent weeks. It's not hard to make a link there...... unless we got a better CH and Keys proved he can make those passes on a regular basis we shouldn't do it. A chance he is not likely to get or should that read a gamble we are not likely to take.

    Either way, his little forays forward are not the danger to Derby they used to be as, when he does get a rush of blood, Hudds stays back to cover.
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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by valakari on Wed 20 Dec 2017, 10:13 pm

    Without Keogh at the back......we would be losing 4-2 at home to Reading

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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by chicken on Thu 21 Dec 2017, 12:20 am

    Without Joe Ledley playing we would be losing 4-2 at home to Reading.
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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by valakari on Thu 21 Dec 2017, 7:37 am

    Still not a good word for Keogh ...suppose you won't be eating humble pie for Xmas then....

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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by chicken on Thu 21 Dec 2017, 9:47 am

    It’s no coincidence that Keogh makes less mistakes now he has Davies at the side of him and Huddlestone and the mighty Joe Ledley protecting him. The stats don’t lie:

    Derby County with Joe Ledley
    13 games
    9 wins
    3 draws
    1 defeat
    5 goals conceded

    Derby County without Joe Ledley
    9 games
    3 wins
    2 draws
    4 defeats
    16 conceded

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    Post by bramhallram on Thu 21 Dec 2017, 11:30 am

    Those look like very convincing stats to me, Chicken, and they confirm how much better we are when Ledley is playing.

    I don't know who was responsible for bringing him to the club, but it was the deal of the season for DCFC.

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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by SawleyRam on Thu 21 Dec 2017, 12:03 pm

    bramhallram wrote:Those look like very convincing stats to me, Chicken, and they confirm how much better we are when Ledley is playing.

    I don't know who was responsible for bringing him to the club, but it was the deal of the season for DCFC.

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    Posted a month ago about this deal.



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    Re: Ledley lingers longer? Talks
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    Let's not forget that Ledley was intended to be a short term replacement for GT until George reached the required fitness level but Joe had a positive impact from the start which has lead to the present talks about his future. If he stays that's a plus, if he goes GT comes in and that's a plus. For me Gary Rowett has made the best transfer deal of modern Rams time, It's a win-win deal no matter what happens.



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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by valakari on Thu 21 Dec 2017, 1:39 pm

    Ledley adds stability defensively. He lacks creativity and slows our forward play...personally I'd rather have George Thorne playing..especially at home.
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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by MadAmster on Thu 21 Dec 2017, 1:46 pm

    Posted in September...................


    Re: Joe Ledley -
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    A good and experienced midfielder but, as I alluded to in another thread, lack of pace in an already paceless midfield, how is that going to work?

    There should be no way that Huddleston, Johnson and Ledley would/should play together, an opposition midfield of young spirited pacy runners would negate all that experience as quickly as a hot knife through butter!

    If Ledley does come here I hope to be proved wrong, but I doubt it.


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    'Twould seem you were proven wrong Sawls........ as was I when I said I'd rather we gave the young uns a go in another thread around the same time
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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by SawleyRam on Thu 21 Dec 2017, 3:06 pm

    MadAmster wrote:Posted in September...................


    Re: Joe Ledley -
    Post by SawleyRam on Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:25 pm

    A good and experienced midfielder but, as I alluded to in another thread, lack of pace in an already paceless midfield, how is that going to work?

    There should be no way that Huddleston, Johnson and Ledley would/should play together, an opposition midfield of young spirited pacy runners would negate all that experience as quickly as a hot knife through butter!

    If Ledley does come here I hope to be proved wrong, but I doubt it.


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    'Twould seem you were proven wrong Sawls........ as was I when I said I'd rather we gave the young uns a go in another thread around the same time

    More than happy to admit it 'Ammy but changed my mind in October after seeing him in action in the home fixture against Sheffield Wednesday and how he complimented team mates.
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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by MadAmster on Fri 22 Dec 2017, 9:09 am

    SawleyRam wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:Posted in September...................


    Re: Joe Ledley -
    Post by SawleyRam on Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:25 pm

    A good and experienced midfielder but, as I alluded to in another thread, lack of pace in an already paceless midfield, how is that going to work?

    There should be no way that Huddleston, Johnson and Ledley would/should play together, an opposition midfield of young spirited pacy runners would negate all that experience as quickly as a hot knife through butter!

    If Ledley does come here I hope to be proved wrong, but I doubt it.


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    'Twould seem you were proven wrong Sawls........ as was I when I said I'd rather we gave the young uns a go in another thread around the same time

    More than happy to admit it 'Ammy but changed my mind in October after seeing him in action in the home fixture against Sheffield Wednesday and how he complimented team mates.

    You and me both Sawls.

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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by chicken on Sat 23 Dec 2017, 11:56 pm

    chicken wrote:It’s no coincidence that Keogh makes less mistakes now he has Davies at the side of him and Huddlestone and the mighty Joe Ledley protecting him. The stats don’t lie:

    Derby County with Joe Ledley
    13 games
    9 wins
    3 draws
    1 defeat
    5 goals conceded

    Derby County without Joe Ledley
    9 games
    3 wins
    2 draws
    4 defeats
    16 conceded


    Needs a little amending

    14 games
    10 wins
    3 draws
    1 defeat
    5 goals conceded
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    Re: Round Pegs And Round Holes

    Post by Stockport Ram on Sun 24 Dec 2017, 8:12 am

    I would completely concur.


    I too wasn't convinced that he was anything different to our existing slow, ponderous central midfield, but both Chicken's excellent stats and my own eyes have proved me wrong so far.  Tom has the vision,  Joe fills the gaps.


    I still have Cartson as my POTS by quite a distance, but there is competition. Maybe even Kieftenfeld gets a shout for signing on the wrong line on the transfer papers, as that error meant the arrival of Ledley !

    A word of praise for Keogh though.  After the goal line clearance against Villa, the camera stayed on him for quite a while.  There were no hystronics, not pointing, no wide eyed panic-cum-fury, no blame-finger-pointing,  he just jogged back into position as if he realised that he had just done his job.


    Maybe GR has got through to him after all.  I really, really hope so.

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