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    Derby 1- 1 Sheffield Utd reports and comments

    Post by RRC on Mon 01 Jan 2018, 5:02 pm

    Derby made four changes to the side that started at Ipswich with Baird, Johnson,
    Weimann and Nugent replacing Wisdom, Thorne, Lawrence and Winnall -
             Carson
             Baird Keogh Davies Forsyth
             Huddlestone Johnson
             Russell Vydra Weimann
             Nugent
             subs Mitchell Wisdom Pearce Thorne Bennett Martin Winnall
    Sheffield United made two changes to the team that lost to Bolton with Baldock
    and Donaldson replacing Sharp and Carter-Vickers.

    Sheffield United started well in attack, soon getting behind the Derby defence, and
    having the first shot and the first corner. The Rams responded by pushing up and a
    Baird cross forced a corner, but they soon reverted to sitting back. The visitors were
    dominant and Derby made it easy for them by being too predictable, too slow, and
    allowing them too much space. Only Huddlestone, Vydra and Nugent showed much
    energy in attack but they always seemed to be outnumbered. Baldock's handball on
    24 minutes gave Vydra the chance to score his 15th goal with a fine penalty.



    The goal lifted the Rams players and there was some better play, with passes finding
    their targets and Nugent harrying the centre backs. At the other end, Donaldson's
    fierce shot was matched by Carson's excellent save. Sheffield made some chances by
    attacking down the right, winning lots of corners but failing to get another shot on target.
    Weimann made a rapid break but his shot (or cross) was wide. Russell made a chance
    but he was tackled before he could shoot. Sheffield's defenders coped pretty well with
    most of Derby's attacks and the visitors continued to have more possession than Derby
    for much of the first half.
    HT Derby 1-0 Sheffield United

    Like the first half, Sheffield attacked with energy from the start, winning three corners
    in the opening minutes, and Derby struggled to get out of their own half except when
    Huddlestone and Baird joined the attack. A neat Sheffield move put Derby under great
    pressure but the shot was just wide with Carson unsighted. The visitors' goal finally came
    from a terrific cross by Donaldson headed home by Clarke on 57 minutes with the Rams
    defenders ball-watching. United were full of energy, they were quick to challenge and
    they kept on winning the ball all over the pitch.

    Winnall and Thorne replaced Johnson and Vydra on 70 minutes. Thorne soon offered
    a bit more control in midfield for Derby but the Rams were still lacking ideas and any
    attacking spark against Sheffield's back three. The Sheffield strikers were able to pin
    the Rams centre backs deep, so Derby did not push forward as a team. Martin replaced
    Nugent, who had worked hard but had little service, on 81 minutes. The Rams went on
    sitting back, apparently unable to raise their game and hanging on for a draw. When
    Winnall tried to attack, he had no support. Derby hadn't won on New Year's Day since
    2013 and they did well to get a point with today's tired performance.
    FT Derby 1-1 Sheffield United

    Derby stay second for now, because Cardiff lost at QPR and they dropped to 4th behind
    Bristol City (3rd), who visit Villa (8th) at tea-time. Leeds (5th) drew at home with Forest,
    Sheffield United stay 6th, and Boro (7th) won at Preston (9th).



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    Re: Derby 1- 1 Sheffield Utd reports and comments

    Post by mcsilks on Mon 01 Jan 2018, 5:15 pm

    What a disappointment after playing so well in our previous game.

    Yet another performance whereby from the very first minute, we played on the back foot and looked to play on the counter.

    Are we simply not good enough to dictate the tempo against sides in this league? Do we really think we can continue to pick up results playing in this manner?

    We didn't deserve anything from this game in truth. Sheff Utd tried to win the game and we simply were trying to stop them from doing that.

    While the majority on here seem to be happy as this team is picking up good results, I am far from happy with the nature of the football we are playing. It's uninspiring, dull, and awful on the eye.

    The one bright spark was JR in the first half, but then he let himself down by continually throwing himself to the ground attempting to con the referee.
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    Post by rjrules71 on Mon 01 Jan 2018, 5:38 pm

    Always fancied this as being a game too far, given a fresh team we may have had the 3 points, but as I suspected tired limbs proved to be a key factor and all things considered this was an expected result for me (See GTS).

    A good rest and then we have a money spinner v Manyoo followed by a bloody nose to the bluenoses,
    onwards!!! Tally Ho!!!! Super Rams
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    Post by DavesaRam on Mon 01 Jan 2018, 6:48 pm

    mcsilks wrote:What a disappointment after playing so well in our previous game.

    Yet another performance whereby from the very first minute, we played on the back foot and looked to play on the counter.

    Are we simply not good enough to dictate the tempo against sides in this league? Do we really think we can continue to pick up results playing in this manner?

    We didn't deserve anything from this game in truth. Sheff Utd tried to win the game and we simply were trying to stop them from doing that.

    While the majority on here seem to be happy as this team is picking up good results, I am far from happy with the nature of the football we are playing. It's uninspiring, dull, and awful on the eye.

    The one bright spark was JR in the first half, but then he let himself down by continually throwing himself to the ground attempting to con the referee.

    I tend to agree with most of this, mcsilks, apart from the Johnny Russell comment. I am baffled why it happens, but when he starts, most teams will hit him with one or two murderous challenges fairly early on, as if he represents a threat. He could be a threat, but often has no end product - its as though opposition teams haven't worked this out yet. So immediately after being crunched, he got into the area, then won the ball back before being brought down, with the defender making sure with a rugby tackle to his legs. It couldn't not be a penalty, although it was one of the few things the ref got right for Derby today. He was appalling, but at least I will get to see a "homer" referee on Friday at Old Trafford.

    Talking of rugby, Sheffield United's two strikers didn't make a single challenge on Keogh or Davies without having their arms all over our men, pushing, shoving and pulling, or backing into them, while the ref did absolutely nothing. Another defender pulled the ball out of the sky like a keeper gathering a cross right in front of the prat, but he did nothing, because he was waiting to give a "ball-to-hand" from about 2 feet away against a Derby player. What a pillock.

    United came with a game plan to take advantage of our "stand back and watch them pass it around" way of playing, and on many occasions, all 22 players bar their goalkeeper were in our half. We have picked results up, and we generally can defend well enough to not let them have any real opportunities - they had one shot on target in the first half. Playing on the break gave us the best opportunities of the first half, and we could have had at least one more goal. It is exciting, but poor to watch, and runs into difficulties when Derby start to think they it is they who are on the terraces instead of the fans. as happened at the start of the second half, with the inevitable equalizer being the result.

    Gary spoke of it being "a game too far", speaking of the glut of games over the holiday season, with the result that we were lacking in energy. I believe Sheffield United played on Saturday as well, so why weren't they "leggy" as well? In reality, I think he got his team selection wrong. Here's what I posted on Facebook before the match started.

    "So just what has George Thorne got to do to keep his place in the team?

    Play well? ... done that

    Boss the midfield? ... done that

    Give what we are missing in midfield? ... done that

    So what Gary? Be careful, he might not want to renew his contract and then he will be doing all this for someone else."

    That was the difference - Johnson and Huddlestone as a midfield two has been proven to not work time and time, and time again. How many times is Gary going to try and accommodate his love child in the team instead of what is best for the club? He said that he hesitated to put George back in again because of his injury record, and because he had just played 90 minutes on Saturday. Actually, so had most of the rest of the team. He seems that Gary simply doesn't want to put George into the team, even though Thorne has justified his game time on virtually every time he has played this season. We were being over run in midfield, courtesy of United's use of 3 at the back, giving them an overload in midfield, but as soon as George was on, we stiffened up in the middle of the park. It is what we wanted from the start, not when we had allowed to the lead to slip away and needed to get t back again. He hinted that he was thinking of George i terms of Old Trafford, but surely the priority is our League position, so we should have had George on from the start so that Sheffield United didn't get the upper hand virtually from the kick-off. In reality Bradley Johnson was very poor today, and achieved very little. Even if George needed to be subbed after an hour, it would have stopped the opposition getting the upper hand and keeping it for most of the match.

    Having said that, if we had got a point at Ipswich and three points today, we would have been very happy, so I suppose I'd better accept it. It is just a little disappointing to know that we could have had all six points from these two matches.

    Oh well, on to Friday night, then onwards and upwards.
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    Re: Derby 1- 1 Sheffield Utd reports and comments

    Post by ShardlowSheep on Mon 01 Jan 2018, 7:11 pm

    First half ok, it was never a penalty, Russell clearly fouled their defender first to win the ball back. After that we had a few chances on the counter. Second half beey poor, everyone lacked energy and gave away a soft goal. Happy to get a point out of that. Seemed one game too far In close succession. Couple of weeks off now in the league ready for the next one.


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    Re: Derby 1- 1 Sheffield Utd reports and comments

    Post by KeoghKeogh on Mon 01 Jan 2018, 8:47 pm

    Chris Wilder must be doing something right at Bramhall Lane.

    They are a team of average players who made our team of better players look very average - both at their place in August and at PP today.

    They pass the ball around quickly and seem to know where there team mates will be. Thankfully they don't have players with the level of skill that we've got or they would have blown us away today.

    Nothing to do with 2 games in a short period; they are just very well organised and were very unlicky not to take 6 points off us.
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    Post by baseballer on Mon 01 Jan 2018, 9:56 pm

    Game management 3 - 1 Performance
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    Post by chicken on Tue 02 Jan 2018, 6:22 pm

    ShardlowSheep wrote:First half ok, it was never a penalty, Russell clearly fouled their defender first to win the ball back. After that we had a few chances on the counter. Second half beey poor, everyone lacked energy and gave away a soft goal. Happy to get a point out of that. Seemed one game too far In close succession. Couple of weeks off now in the league ready for the next one.

    Stonewall penalty. Deliberate handball by the defender to knock it out of play. Lucky he didn’t get sent off.
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    Post by prideParkhead on Wed 03 Jan 2018, 8:36 pm

    A very negative approach from Derby against an out of form team. God help us if we get to the Premiershite, cos this is what every home game will be like with even less posession or shots on target, unless Rowett abandons this style of playing, which I doubt he will.
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    Post by MadAmster on Mon 08 Jan 2018, 10:06 am

    prideParkhead wrote:A very negative approach from Derby against an out of form team. God help us if we get to the Premiershite, cos this is what every home game will be like with even less posession or shots on target, unless Rowett abandons this style of playing, which I doubt he will.

    Lost their previous game to a resurgent (results wise) Bolton who scored with one of only 2 shots on target. The Blades had 65% of the ball, 16 shots to 4 with 5 against 2 on target.

    Out of form can be several things. As we Rams fans know only too well. You can play well at times but fail, for various reasons, to score. Keep plugging away and the goals will come again. That is what has happened to the Blades of late.

    If the entire team was out of form then they would have been pegged back defending (badly) which they haven't been.

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