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    Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by SawleyRam on Fri 19 Jan 2018, 11:12 pm

    Vote for your Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H) in a match where we kept another clean sheet in a 0-0 draw
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by rjrules71 on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 12:52 am

    Top display from the big man once again
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by valakari on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 1:11 am

    Whoever voted for Russell obviously missed all the times he gave it away putting us in trouble. All the blind alleys he ran down and the chances he wasted. If only his end product and quality matched his endeavour
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by Stockport Ram on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 4:34 am

    rjrules71 wrote:Top display from the big man once again

    Scotty had virtually nowt to do.

    I thought that Thorne had the odd below par moment in the first half, rj.

    Curtis, on the other hand, was impeccable.
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by mcsilks on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 5:14 am

    valakari wrote:Whoever voted for Russell obviously missed all the times he gave it away putting us in trouble. All the blind alleys he ran down and the chances he wasted. If only his end product and quality matched his endeavour


    I voted for Russell because:

    1) He was our best outlet

    2) Their defence struggled with his direct running

    3) It was he that set up our best opportunities

    Without him on the pitch, this would have been a very different game. He was our best player and the best player on the park.

    Granted, he put us in trouble at times with his poor first touch and his running down blind alleys but it was that running down a seeming blind alley that set up our best chance of the second half. Had we scored from that opportunity, you would have lauded JR with a great assist.

    I only wish that Lawrence had a little more of the 'never say die' attitude that JR has got.

    What he lacks for in ability, he makes up for in endeavor.

    With JR, he is certainly one that we should look at what he can do rather than what he can't.

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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by valakari on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 5:33 am

    That is the point....he can't do what is required!
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by valakari on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 5:35 am

    Every footballer could or should be capable of running and trying...but that's an athlete! You need end product and quality...this are attributes he doesn't have
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by MadAmster on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 7:49 am

    ..... JR also got the ball into his feet on many an occasion only to get robbed. He had some good forays into their box but too many blind alleys and getting robbed today allied to some less than average passing.

    Davies and Keogh the stand out players for me. 8 or 9 crucial interventions from Keogh in our box. Davies had a far better pass success rate and I go for him.
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by ShardlowSheep on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 7:54 am

    Davies for me seemed to win everything
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by mcsilks on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 8:03 am

    valakari wrote:That is the point....he can't do what is required!


    Surely what is required of JR is to unsettle the opposition defence and to create chances.

    Their left back couldn't cope with him second half and he created chances.

    Both boxes ticked.

    JR is not a great footballer but while he is doing what he was doing last night, he is more than worthy of his starting berth. Yes, there are better wide men than him but they are playing at a higher level.

    I think he is a player that is flourishing under GR and he seems to have found a new lease of energy.

    What exactly would you say is required of a wide man playing at this level?
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by Mucker1884 on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 8:39 am

    If JR could do, on a regular basis, what some of us want/expect him to do, he wouldn't be playing for us. We are Championship. JR is Championship. We are frustrating at times. JR is frustrating at times. A perfect match, albeit not made in heaven!
    He'd get my vote for last night from an attacking perspective, but overall, Davies takes it for a majestic performance.

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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by rjrules71 on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 8:53 am

    Stockport Ram wrote:
    rjrules71 wrote:Top display from the big man once again

    Scotty had virtually nowt to do.

    I thought that Thorne had the odd below par moment in the first half, rj.

    Curtis, on the other hand, was impeccable.    


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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by whestonram on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 9:56 am

    mcsilks wrote:
    valakari wrote:That is the point....he can't do what is required!


    Surely what is required of JR is to unsettle the opposition defence and to create chances.

    Their left back couldn't cope with him second half and he created chances.

    Both boxes ticked.

    JR is not a great footballer but while he is doing what he was doing last night, he is more than worthy of his starting berth. Yes, there are better wide men than him but they are playing at a higher level.

    I think he is a player that is flourishing under GR and he seems to have found a new lease of energy.

    What exactly would you say is required of a wide man playing at this level?

    No, he's required to do that AND get his shots on target and his crosses and passes to his teammates. He was really wasteful last night. I do love his effort but he wasn't good enough last night
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by MadAmster on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 10:40 am

    Upsetting and unsettling is worth not a single jot if there is little or no end product. A footballer (probably) getting more per week than I get a year should have more end product than we saw from JR last night. It was nice to watch, especially in the 2nd half but to what did it lead?

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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by mcsilks on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 11:00 am

    MadAmster wrote:Upsetting and unsettling is worth not a single jot if there is little or no end product. A footballer (probably) getting more per week than I get a year should have more end product than we saw from JR last night. It was nice to watch, especially in the 2nd half but to what did it lead?

    Sweet Fanny Adams.


    JR is not there to deliver an 'end product'. He is there to set the product up. He did that last night. If the strikers fail to deliver then that is their fault...not his.

    He provided the balls, the strikers missed the opportunities.

    To say that he has no end product is a little harsh. Had it not been for a great save, he would have been credited with a top assist in a very tight game.

    I'd go as far as to say that it was one of his best games in a Derby shirt for some time. That and maybe get a better job Amster, as JR is probably only about 15K a year.
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by whestonram on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 12:00 pm

    mcsilks wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:Upsetting and unsettling is worth not a single jot if there is little or no end product. A footballer (probably) getting more per week than I get a year should have more end product than we saw from JR last night. It was nice to watch, especially in the 2nd half but to what did it lead?

    Sweet Fanny Adams.


    JR is not there to deliver an 'end product'. He is there to set the product up. He did that last night. If the strikers fail to deliver then that is their fault...not his.

    He provided the balls, the strikers missed the opportunities.

    To say that he has no end product is a little harsh. Had it not been for a great save, he would have been credited with a top assist in a very tight game.

    I'd go as far as to say that it was one of his best games in a Derby shirt for some time. That and maybe get a better job Amster, as JR is probably only about 15K a year.

    You think not? Surely an attacker has to shoot on target and put free kicks and crosses in accurately, as well as all the other stuff that he does really well? His effort is admirable, and he did nearly make things happen a good few times, but nearly is so frustrating.
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by Stockport Ram on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 12:04 pm

    Short term stats only, but he has 4 goals in his last 12 games. Some number nines would be pleased with that.

    He frustrates the hell out of me sometimes, but I like his on field attitude and he gives us something which the other wide men don't.

    On balance definitely worth a starting berth and I agree that better end product (possibly as a result of better footballing intelligence) would see him in the Prem - and that's why he's not !
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by Stockport Ram on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 12:06 pm

    rjrules71 wrote:
    Stockport Ram wrote:
    rjrules71 wrote:Top display from the big man once again

    Scotty had virtually nowt to do.

    I thought that Thorne had the odd below par moment in the first half, rj.

    Curtis, on the other hand, was impeccable.    


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    Apologies rj - I was a little worried that you were referring to whom I can now gingerly refer to as "Ex Captain Calamity" (although there were a couple of flashbacks last night, both expertly mopped up by Davies).


    I should have known better.

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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by bramhallram on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 1:04 pm

    It must be very frustrating for a striker to play in the same team as Russell. It was noticeable how frustrated Vydra looked on several occasions last night when JR ran down yet another blind alley and failed to deliver a simple cross.

    It's all very well saying JR puts in a lot of effort and tracks back as required, a basic requirement of any footballer, but his main job should be to deliver the ball accurately to the striker(s). I look forward to the day when he does this with any regularity.

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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by SawleyRam on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 1:09 pm

    mcsilks wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:Upsetting and unsettling is worth not a single jot if there is little or no end product. A footballer (probably) getting more per week than I get a year should have more end product than we saw from JR last night. It was nice to watch, especially in the 2nd half but to what did it lead?

    Sweet Fanny Adams.


    JR is not there to deliver an 'end product'. He is there to set the product up. He did that last night. If the strikers fail to deliver then that is their fault...not his.

    He provided the balls, the strikers missed the opportunities.

    To say that he has no end product is a little harsh. Had it not been for a great save, he would have been credited with a top assist in a very tight game.

    I'd go as far as to say that it was one of his best games in a Derby shirt for some time. That and maybe get a better job Amster, as JR is probably only about 15K a year.

    "That and maybe get a better job Amster, as JR is probably only about 15K a year." is what you said, you might live in Japan but what planet are you on? I hope it was a typo, I do not know how much Russell earns (or 'Ammy for that matter) but you must have missed at least a zero off the end off the 15 for Johnny for even a wild,wild guess at his wages. 15K per year is £288.46p per week (before tax & insurance)
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by SawleyRam on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 1:16 pm

    When Curtis Davies got home last night he must have took his shorts off and shook them vigorously to see if back pocket was empty after putting their strikers in it!

    Davies was magnificent last night, my vote goes to him.
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by rjrules71 on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 1:57 pm

    Just to clarify my drunk effort.

    BIG C was majestic last night, easily MOTM.

    Bargain of the year

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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by rjrules71 on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 2:02 pm

    Chicken and I often try to cameo one area/player during a game and last night I was covering the right back position.

    My feelings were that although Wisdom does an OK job, his crossing is bloody rubbish on the odd occasion he strays forward. Baird can cross effectively but lacks in other areas.

    I would dearly love to see a more progressive right back.
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    Re: Come On You Rams MOTM vs Bristol City (H)

    Post by KeoghKeogh on Sat 20 Jan 2018, 5:54 pm

    bramhallram wrote:It must be very frustrating for a striker to play in the same team as Russell. It was noticeable how frustrated Vydra looked on several occasions last night when JR ran down yet another blind alley and failed to deliver a simple cross.

    It's all very well saying JR puts in a lot of effort and tracks back as required, a basic requirement of any footballer, but his main job should be to deliver the ball accurately to the striker(s). I look forward to the day when he does this with any regularity.

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    Harsh IMHO. As usual Russell produced or almost produced several very good opportunities from nothing. He set up a couple of very good chances which his team mates missed or their keeper saved; he created several other chances out of nothing but failed to deliver the final pass or finish.

    If he was completing the many chances that he himself creates each game he'd probably be Champions League quality. As it is he's Championship quality and still a considerable assett to us IMHO.

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