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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by chicken on Mon May 28, 2018 10:12 pm

    We have been in the Championship for over a decade... We have tried experience, 1st time coach, Ex players, returning managers and all have failed... Why not try an England/Chelsea legend! Everybody in the game thinks he has a great future as a manager...

    Unashamedly stolen off Twitter ...
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by outsider on Tue May 29, 2018 2:49 am

    Can't be any worse than the appointments of Clements Pearson wassel imoa.

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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by CornwallRam on Tue May 29, 2018 8:49 am

    outsider wrote:Can't be any worse than the appointments of Clements Pearson wassel imoa.


    It can, none of those actually bankrupted or got us relegated.
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by outsider on Tue May 29, 2018 9:20 am

    CornwallRam wrote:
    outsider wrote:Can't be any worse than the appointments of Clements Pearson wassel imoa.


    It can, none of those actually bankrupted or got us relegated.

    we have spent a fortune tho plus high wages.
    who know what would have happened with pearson he nearly relegated Leicester

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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by rob on Tue May 29, 2018 3:46 pm

    teams with significantly less budget than the rams - and poorer infrastructure have been promoted and flourished for seasons in the premier league

    Stoke, Burnley, Watford, Swansea, Bournemouth to name but a few - I know at least 2 of those had sugar daddies but was their player wage structure/transfer fees paid bigger - I doubt it.

    We need a manager who can spot and nuture talent then hope we have the luck to get promoted...

    We also need to accept we are an established 2nd tier side with no divine right to be in the top league.

    Good football with exciting young players giving their all is what I want - winning all the games and promotion is a bonus - and as long as 'arry and mick mac are nowhere near the dugout come August I for one don't care who the next manager is....
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by Calif_Ramette on Tue May 29, 2018 5:07 pm

    So do we like have a manager or something yet?
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by MadAmster on Tue May 29, 2018 5:43 pm

    Calif_Ramette wrote:So do we like have a manager or something yet?

    Negatory Cal.
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by asotrsott on Tue May 29, 2018 6:45 pm

    Give Frank a chance, if not The 2 Cowley Bro's from Lincoln .......
    We've tried the old guard....got us nowhere..... dancer Bang head
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by outsider on Tue May 29, 2018 7:25 pm

    Few here have said let's play youngsters , so if we only end up in mid table but let's build on this..... with lamps we will have to maybe but build together a young up coming manager and derby build from the tatters of another failed experienced manger

    I am more upbeat the thought of lamps to Clements and pearsons appointment
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by MadAmster on Tue May 29, 2018 9:27 pm

    Said in many a thread that the likes of Lowe, Bogle, Elsnik, Thomas etc should be given a chance
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by New England Ram on Tue May 29, 2018 9:41 pm

    Unfortunately for Frank or any manager we get....the bottom line is they need to be perfect.
    I used to think it was the case that fans would turn up and back the team if the football was entertaining.
    But our fan base is now littered with basket cases who panic and become trembling wrecks at the slightest setback and that’s just in the pre season friendlys.
    In my head I see Frank coming in buying two or three lower league gems and bringing in three superstar loans and getting us promoted by January.
    The reality is he will probably lose his first friendly at Belper Town in July and be hounded out by the doom mongers by September.
    Please let me be wrong and this nightmare Groundhog scenario come to an end.



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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by Mitten State Ram on Tue May 29, 2018 11:55 pm

    New England Ram wrote:Unfortunately for Frank or any manager we get....the bottom line is they need to be perfect.
    I used to think it was the case that fans would turn up and back the team if the football was entertaining.
    But our fan base is now littered with basket cases who panic and become trembling wrecks at the slightest setback and that’s just in the pre season friendlys.
    In my head I see Frank coming in buying two or three lower league gems and bringing in three superstar loans and getting us promoted by January.
    The reality is he will probably  lose his first friendly at Belper Town in July and be hounded out by the doom mongers by September.
    Please let me be wrong and this nightmare Groundhog scenario come to an end.

    I don't know that our fans are any more demanding or unrealistic than any others of clubs with reasonable historic expectations of first-tier football. I'm guessing Wolves fans, or Leeds, or any similar club languishing out of the big time while Bournemouth are occupying real estate above us are justifiably impatient. But you're right that perfection is necessary, just of a different sort.

    The bottom line is that it is virtually impossible to get out of this division; the best way to do it is to come down from the top with a squad ready to bounce back. One to two clubs of that description will take some of the three spots available every year. Look at Fulham--23 matches unbeaten, the best footballing side in the division since Christmas, and after one bad outing on the last day their poor start condemned them to a playoff they came within 45 minutes of losing to a team more than four wins worse over the course of the season. Then they had to limp over the finish line at Wembley with only ten men, which could easily have gone wrong. The team that wins the division usually has around 100 points, losing fewer than six matches of forty-six over a nine month span. You don't get promoted from this division accidentally. If you go up automatically, you deserve it; if you're not good enough, it won't happen. I don't think Derby fans gripe because we're uniquely irrational. I think we do it because we know by painful experience how damned hard it is to go up, and that very few men have what it takes to lead a club to promotion then keep them up. I've cheered for Derby all my life and seen it once. Statistically, I'm probably half way to the grave. The odds aren't good for Frank; they're not good for anyone.
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by New England Ram on Wed May 30, 2018 12:31 am

    Mitt I still think there is a scar from the 11pt season that takes sections of our fan base to different hysteria levels.
    Folk have always disagreed with me but I don’t think the wounds or kickback from that season will ever truly be excorcised until we have been promoted and held our own.
    And for those reasons I do think certain sections of our fan base to have a unique and possibly twisted perspective.
    To your other point about being impossible to get out of this division ..
    I hear what you are saying..but I will hold onto the hope that if Fester could win the stacked premier league against all odds.
    Then it’s still possible to put a team together to get out of this division .



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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by outsider on Wed May 30, 2018 3:15 am

    It's combination of that every season we do well and then implode and not lose to better teams but seem to throw it all away season after season.

    We been close to getting promoted but so far due to collapse at the later part of season. But with hystira with some there is alot that back what ever.

    That's football this us the derby way a rollacoster ride ... as a fan derby brinnpain with you... man United plastic fans etc will never understand as the support a team from armchair and expect to win and don't feel passion you seen that at the cup game.

    I have a great feeling/hopes lamps might be the one, part of the new breed of young managers who have done it all with club and worked with the best
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by valakari on Wed May 30, 2018 6:47 am

    Regardless of the final position, the fans have been given tastes of fabulous entertaining football over the various decades, the Clough and Mackay teams of the 70's, the Jim Smith team of the 90's, and latterly the McLaren team...thats what we all crave to see and pay our money to watch. If ultimately we fail, playing that way, we are disappointed, but not mutinous.
    Many of us get irate when the football we play is rubbish, and then we fail...there is a massive difference...and ultimately it may be the same end result, but at least we feel that we've had a go..and enjoyed the ride!
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by MadAmster on Wed May 30, 2018 8:43 am

    Some good points covering what it's like to be a Ram.

    The annual post new year collapse. Sometimes post January, occasionally post February, this time post December. 20 points from the first 19 games of the season.

    The football.

    BDs less exciting way did get us up but what followed was a post August implosion of epic proportions, lasting through to May. We didn't like Clement's football although it got us to the top of the League. The annual implosion saw us drop to 5th. MM got rid for several reasons and quite rightly so IMO.

    Pearson had us playing excruciatingly poor football and the results were less than average. the aftermath of a training ground bust up saw him leave too. Again MM was left with litlle choice and the axe was wielded.

    Maclaren had us playing dream football but no plan B against thuggish sides or teams that had sussed our variation on 1-4-3-3 out. He also had no idea when things when pear shaped and the Newcastle thing meant the end.

    Rowett. Following the opening games of 2018 he finally went 1-3-5-2 and we started to see the sort of attacking football we love to see. Then he went back into his shell against Fulham...... Should he have replaced half of the owd codgers in the first game and the other half in the 2nd game with some of the young uns out of the squad. It might have failed but it would have been a fight rather than creeping off sheepishly ;)

    Lampard's background is WHU and Chelsea (Chelsea can be a boring counter team too.....). Hopefully his football, should he get the job, be closer to SM than Pearo/Rowett/Clement.

    Who ever comes in, the football needs to be pleasing on the eye as well as giving results. No easy task.
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by valakari on Wed May 30, 2018 10:00 am

    But..if its pleasing on the eye, at least we wont find fault with the style....and if he gets the right players in (probably mostly on loan), to be able to play an attractive brand, then i for one may end up disappointed at some results, but will feel at least that my hard earned money hasnt been wasted!..which is what it felt like this season!!
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by New England Ram on Wed May 30, 2018 10:12 am

    valakari wrote:But..if its pleasing on the eye, at least we wont find fault with the style....and if he gets the right players in (probably mostly on loan), to be able to play an attractive brand, then i for one may end up disappointed at some results, but will feel at least that my hard earned money hasnt been wasted!..which is what it felt like this season!!

    Sounds good now Val...and whilst I agree that you want to see entertaining football...(which Franks former boss and mentor is not producing at United)..fans will soon start to panic if we are near the bottom three at the end of September having lost numerous seven goal thrillers.



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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by CornwallRam on Wed May 30, 2018 10:29 am

    I don't get why people firmly believe the Lampard will play attractive football. As he's never even been a coach there is no evidence of what his style will be.

    He did, however, play for the most boring of the top teams. Chelsea were a bus parking, cautious team with brilliant forwards. If he tries to replicate that at Derby we'll be a boring, bus parking team who value keeping possession over everything else. It'll be identical to Clement.

    Incidentally - Jody Morris has a superb record with Chelsea youth teams. He has the sort of management experience that I'd be looking for if we were going to take a punt o an up-and-coming manager. Can't we appoint Morris as manager and Lampard as a coach? I'd be happy with that.
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by New England Ram on Wed May 30, 2018 12:29 pm

    CornwallRam wrote:I don't get why people firmly believe the Lampard will play attractive football. As he's never even been a coach there is no evidence of what his style will be.

    He did, however, play for the most boring of the top teams. Chelsea were a bus parking, cautious team with brilliant forwards. If he tries to replicate that at Derby we'll be a boring, bus parking team who value keeping possession over everything else. It'll be identical to Clement.

    Incidentally - Jody Morris has a superb record with Chelsea youth teams. He has the sort of management experience that I'd be looking for if we were going to take a punt o an up-and-coming manager. Can't we appoint Morris as manager and Lampard as a coach? I'd be happy with that.

    Exactly his former boss produces some of the most dour teams to watch.
    But if it is Frank hopefully he will have his own ideas on how he wants them to play and it’s both entertaining and successful ..the beauty of the summer is you can dream.



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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by casinoram on Wed May 30, 2018 12:59 pm

    I think now Jodie Morris has been connected as Franks assistant it gives me more hope of a fresh new approach to how we play ... AT LAST !!!! Exciting times ahead...which we really deserve....
    Fingers crossed and COYR's !!! celebration Clapping
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    Re: Next Derby manager?

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Wed May 30, 2018 3:25 pm

    What takes longer to negotiate than brexit? Frank Lampard to Derby
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    Post by bramhallram on Wed May 30, 2018 3:33 pm

    Loughborough Ram wrote:What takes longer to negotiate than brexit? Frank Lampard to Derby

    Lampard will be confirmed as the new Derby manager tomorrow.



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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Wed May 30, 2018 3:39 pm

    A manager without a club moving to a club without a manager, what's to negotiate?
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    Post by whestonram on Wed May 30, 2018 4:17 pm

    Loughborough Ram wrote:A manager without a club moving to a club without a manager, what's to negotiate?

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