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    Mansfield 3 Derby 1

    Post by Ram78 on Wed 18 Jul 2018, 9:25 pm

    At least Bennett scored, stags lot better than Notts, but I’m sure frank learned more tonight about his team
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    Re: Mansfield 3 Derby 1

    Post by kooklaRam on Wed 18 Jul 2018, 9:57 pm

    Awful goals to concede, FL may not know who his first 11 is but on that showing he will have an idea who he wants nowhere near it
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    Re: Mansfield 3 Derby 1

    Post by MadAmster on Wed 18 Jul 2018, 10:02 pm

    A tale of 2 halves and a few things made clear to Frank Lampard IMO.

    First half we bossed it as we did against Notts. 2 best chances fell to...... who else? Luke Thomas. His first defelcted off a defender onto the woodwork. His 2nd was well save by their keeper. Carson had to make 2 stops, both straight at him. It was the same fluent game that we saw the Rams play Notts County. The only thing missing was goals.

    2nd half the Stags started better than in the 1st and really shone when they changed the team after about 60 minutes. With fresh legs they pressed and harried and forced errors that led to goals. The first Pearce passed back to Roos putting the ball to his wrong foot. The pass was also underweight and Roos was put under huge pressure, mishit the ball with his weaker foot. it went staright to a Mansfield player that Pearce hadn't followed into the box and it was 1-0. A parried save by their keeper saw Nuge pounce on the ball and pass to Bennett who tucked away from 7 yards. 1-1. They continued to press anf harry Derby into mistakes and yet another saw Bogle bring one of theirs down clumsily. Penalty. It went in. 2-1. Derby pressed for a way back and following a period of pressure they cleared the ball and countered in numbers. A long pass from the back to half way was put forward to their centre half who unselfishly passed wider to a team mate who put the ball away. Roos had to get to the centre forward as the central defenders were nowhere to be seen.... the ball was put into the empty net.

    Derby County (First-Half):
    Carson - Totally untroubled. Will be 1st choice keeper
    Hanson - Right back, centre half or DM? Jack of all trades master of none. Doomed to be Mr utility when needed
    Lowe - Played the full 90. Fordyth not available for some reason. Needs to learn to use his right foot. Sound enough.
    Wisdom - looked comfortable. I would be happy to see him partner Captain davies at CH
    Davies - Captain and 1st choice CH
    Huddlestone - regular starter. Mr cool, cam and collected
    Thomas - Another good half. Needs to learn he has more than 1 foot.
    Bryson - Another useful hour
    Jerome - Put himself about but 1st touch still needs working on
    Ledley - Steady eddie. Nothing spectacular but always where you want him
    Lawrence - Again very lively and another I see having a regular start

    Derby County (Second-Half):
    Roos - Made the one error but the Pearce and Mansfield player combo proved fatal
    Lowe - See 1st half comments
    Thomas (Bennett, 63’) - Bennett very good in this cameo and got his 2nd goal of pre season. Matchday squad is calling
    Bryson (Butterfield, 72’) - Butterfield didn't excite but he did only get 18 minutes
    Lawrence (Blackman, 72’) - Blackman, read Butters
    Bogle - Very promising. Won't make the error he did for the penalty again IMO. Not sure it was his man he had to get back to stop.....
    Keogh - Looked shaky when put under pressure
    Pearce - See Keogh
    Thorne - Short of match practice. Too conservative in his approach.
    Johnson - not impressed. 2 fouls in his first 4 minutes on the park. I don't see hime being a regular starter
    Nugent - Better tha Jerome. Assist for Bennett's goal. Busy around the park.

    Still Martin, Vydra, Fozzy and the 2 new guys to factor in plus the longer term injuries as well when fit.
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    Re: Mansfield 3 Derby 1

    Post by Calif_Ramette on Wed 18 Jul 2018, 10:37 pm

    If Bennett can put it together and stop getting injured he could be a good one off the bench. His injuries are a major concern, it seems he is made of glass.
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    Re: Mansfield 3 Derby 1

    Post by valakari on Wed 18 Jul 2018, 10:50 pm

    Needs a clearout..get rid of: Roos, Pearce, Ledley, Butterfield, Johnson, Blackman, Jerome..well thats my opinion anyway..would save a fortune on wages and leave a manageable squad size
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    Re: Mansfield 3 Derby 1

    Post by New England Ram on Thu 19 Jul 2018, 2:46 am

    That was the most enjoyable pre season 0-0 friendly first half at Mansfield.
    For me more enjoyable than some of last years league wins.
    Ball was moved quickly and often and the movement was excellent.
    We didn’t create tons of chances..but enough.
    All looked pretty comfortable on the ball apart from Hanson.
    The tempo is just so much better..I enjoyed it .

    Second half...not so good too many mistakes and I’m surprised it took that long for Roos to mess up as he was very close to a forward nipping it off him prior to his mistake..he was way too casual with the ball at his feet.

    Good outweighed the bad for me.



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    Re: Mansfield 3 Derby 1

    Post by Calif_Ramette on Thu 19 Jul 2018, 3:44 am

    valakari wrote:Needs a clearout..get rid of: Roos, Pearce, Ledley, Butterfield, Johnson, Blackman, Jerome..well thats my opinion anyway..would save a fortune on wages and leave a manageable squad size

    Jerome showed at the end of the last season if you get him the ball he can score.
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    Re: Mansfield 3 Derby 1

    Post by valakari on Thu 19 Jul 2018, 6:23 am

    As we are playing 433 again, id rather play Chris Martin
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    Re: Mansfield 3 Derby 1

    Post by MadAmster on Thu 19 Jul 2018, 8:16 am

    valakari wrote:As we are playing 433 again, id rather play Chris Martin

    Val, we are playing 1-4-3-3 again, however, this variation on a theme involves players who are mobile, continually on the move, interchanging positions with other players. For the front 3 it means being ready, willing and able to interchange positions with any of the 5 others in the "front 6".

    I love the guy but I don't see Martin, by any stretch of the imagination, being able to do what FL is asking of his #9. Not mobile enough, not quick enough. Lampard's version of 1-4-3-3 does not have a place for a target man.
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    Re: Mansfield 3 Derby 1

    Post by RRC on Thu 19 Jul 2018, 10:04 am

    Imho we're aiming to play playing a fluid system - something like 4-3-3 in attack and
    4-5-1 in defence - not fixed formations but responding to situations as they happen.

    Last night's match showed just how bad Notts County were even for a League Two side,
    which makes it hard to tell much about Derby's performance last Saturday.

    Last night we saw the same problems that we've had for a while, the things that have
    stopped us from being promoted. We're rarely imaginative enough or skilful enough to
    create really good openings, we don't take the good chances that we do make, we rely
    too much on one player (Vydra) to score, and we make too many silly mistakes in defence.
    It's early days but it doesn't look as if the current squad are capable of much improvement.

    In the first half, for all the passing (pretty but not productive), we didn't create many good
    chances and, when we did make a chance, we often didn't find the target, let alone the net.

    In the second half, there were so many sideways and back passes and so little movement
    to take up good positions to receive passes that we made Mansfield look the better side
    and we had no answer to their direct attacks. Our only goal came from a speculative long
    shot by Johnson and the kind of defensive error that few Championship sides would make.

    I agree with Valakari that we need a big clearout of players who are too slow or not good
    enough to adapt to a faster, more fluid style. We haven't been serious candidates for
    promotion for several seasons. At best we've scraped into the playoffs and hoped for a
    slice of luck. Keeping too many of the current squad won't change that. Unfortunately it
    will be hard to move them on because we've given them contracts that other clubs won't
    match, so they'll hang on at Derby until their contracts expire.

    Lampard and his team will have a very difficult job. Our loan players and (if any) signings
    will have to make a big difference to stop us treading water or slipping backwards. Some
    good things have come from our failures. Mel Morris seems to be demanding value for
    money at last, and Lampard and his team seem to know what's needed to improve our play.
    It may take a season or two before we see the full benefits of this progress.

    Sorry if this sounds gloomy but, this season, I do have some real hope that Derby will begin
    to change for the better, instead of papering over the cracks -- hope that I didn't have under
    McLaren or Rowett.



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    Re: Mansfield 3 Derby 1

    Post by valakari on Thu 19 Jul 2018, 1:47 pm

    The new players should help with creativity..
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    Re: Mansfield 3 Derby 1

    Post by MadAmster on Thu 19 Jul 2018, 3:11 pm

    valakari wrote:The new players should help with creativity..

    One would hope so.

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