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    Derby v Leeds tactical analysis

    Post by RRC on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 7:39 am

    Andy Hinchcliffe has written a long and detailed article on how the match
    might go based on both team's opening games. It's well worth reading.

    Did you watch both matches? Do you disagree with his views?

    Derby a work in progress
    You could see that Lampard was trying to impose a style that saw Derby
    play out from the back in their first game against Reading, giving
    possession to their two centre-backs and pushing their full-backs on.

    There was nowhere wide for their centre-backs to play though because
    their full-backs ended up too high and left them with no options. Reading
    forced them into central areas then swamped the player on the ball. They
    won the game but the system needs work.

    They didn't play it long and they tried to work it through the thirds, but
    they kept giving the ball away in defence, especially Richard Keogh in the
    early stages, and Reading should have taken more advantage. It's one
    thing losing the ball to Reading but it will be another altogether to lose it
    to Leeds in those areas, who will punish them more.

    read the whole article on Sky Sports



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    Re: Derby v Leeds tactical analysis

    Post by MadAmster on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 7:55 am

    Having read the article, it seems to point to NER, Syockers and myself being more than justified in our 0-2 prediction.

    I hope they learnt from the Reading game and have managed to sort the shortcomings out.
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    Re: Derby v Leeds tactical analysis

    Post by bramhallram on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 11:23 am

    MadAmster wrote:Having read the article, it seems to point to NER, Syockers and myself being more than justified in our 0-2 prediction.

    I hope they learnt from the Reading game and have managed to sort the shortcomings out.

    Good analysis. The shambolic we gave the ball away in the first half against Reading is exactly why I predicted a 2-0 defeat. We got away with it at Reading, but I don't expect Leeds to be so generous.

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    Re: Derby v Leeds tactical analysis

    Post by whestonram on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 11:41 am

    bramhallram wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:Having read the article, it seems to point to NER, Syockers and myself being more than justified in our 0-2 prediction.

    I hope they learnt from the Reading game and have managed to sort the shortcomings out.

    Good analysis. The shambolic we gave the ball away in the first half against Reading  is exactly why I predicted a 2-0 defeat. We got away with it at Reading, but I don't expect Leeds to be so generous.

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    But surely we won't make those mistakes again. Will we?
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    Re: Derby v Leeds tactical analysis

    Post by RRC on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 1:15 pm

    whestonram wrote:
    bramhallram wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:Having read the article, it seems to point to NER, Syockers and myself being more than justified in our 0-2 prediction.

    I hope they learnt from the Reading game and have managed to sort the shortcomings out.

    Good analysis. The shambolic we gave the ball away in the first half against Reading  is exactly why I predicted a 2-0 defeat. We got away with it at Reading, but I don't expect Leeds to be so generous.

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    But surely we won't make those mistakes again. Will we?

    Hope not, but they're the same mistakes that we've made for several seasons. We're not
    good enough to keep starting slowly, giving opponents an easy ride for 35-40 minutes.

    After losing to Leeds, Gary Rowett said it was a wake up call for Stoke's players.
    He could also have said (but didn't) that it was a wake up call for himself and for
    any clubs planning to play 4-3-3 against a midfield 4 or 5, especially against teams
    with an excellent midfield and a very quick, incisive lone striker like Leeds.

    Has 4-3-3 had its day, except for the top clubs that have so many quality players?

    Trying to attack through a congested midfield, as we do, doesn't seem to work against
    good teams. We need more options and more variety. Hopefully that's what Lampard
    and Morris are trying to achieve, but that's a big change for us, which will take time.



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    Re: Derby v Leeds tactical analysis

    Post by MadAmster on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 2:12 pm

    Also, based on our performance at Reading and players' performances in training (which none of us will have seen), how many of the newbies will get a start do you think?

    I think Evans has a chance to start at DM. Give Ledley more recovery time.

    Of the other outfield players, Wisdom had possibly the worst game of anybody. Keogh gave the ball away an awful lot 1st half. Wilson didn't have any wow factor about him.

    I wouldn't replace them all. Keogh, as captain of vice should be safe. Tomori in for Wisdom and maybe Bennett for Wilson.

    Just thinking aloud.
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    Re: Derby v Leeds tactical analysis

    Post by Stockport Ram on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 2:45 pm

    Tomori should be in the team, either at CH or RB. Evans should be in the team, either at DM or CH.

    I think Wilson should offer more at home and he's worth a try.

    Hinchcliffe was spot on - we really could get mullered today.
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    Re: Derby v Leeds tactical analysis

    Post by bramhallram on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 3:58 pm

    Stockport Ram wrote:Tomori should be in the team, either at CH or RB.  Evans should be in the team, either at DM or CH.

    I think Wilson should offer more at home and he's worth a try.

    Hinchcliffe was spot on - we really could get mullered today.

    Prophetic words my friend. Prophetic words.

    Until we sort out a midfield that can support the attack, shield the defence and generally boss games it will keep happening.

    Good luck with that Frank.

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