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    Post by SawleyRam on Sun 13 Jan 2019, 12:22 pm

    On a more serious note Leeds United have not broken any rules or laws of the game so unless they are charged with bringing the game in to disrepute there is nothing that can be done as only morality comes into question.

    Prevention is the best way forward for the law makers of the game, add "spying" in it's many forms to the list of punishable offences, but that's common sense isn't it? So that's a no then.



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    Post by RRC on Sun 13 Jan 2019, 1:32 pm

    SawleyRam wrote:On a more serious note Leeds United have not broken any rules or laws of the game so unless they are charged with bringing the game in to disrepute there is nothing that can be done as only morality comes into question.

    Prevention is the best way forward for the law makers of the game, add "spying" in it's many forms to the list of punishable offences, but that's common sense isn't it? So that's a no then.

    What happened at Moor Farm suggests that the Leeds employee was ready
    to go beyond simply spying. He had wire cutters, so you can assume trespass
    and criminal damage were options. The EFL needs to act before clubs are going
    to court and/or investing in electrified fences plius big dogs with sharp teeth.

    Points deduction seems the best deterrent, ensuring there will be no gain if
    the club is caught out.



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    Post by bramhallram on Sun 13 Jan 2019, 2:04 pm

    MadAmster wrote:Apparently Bielsa phoned Lamps last night and explained that "this happens all the time in Argentina". Frank explained thatwe don't do that crap in the UK.

    It's also true that chopping offenders hands off happens all the time in Saudi Arabia, but it doesn't mean we should do the same in the UK.

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    Post by DavesaRam on Sun 13 Jan 2019, 5:17 pm

    RRC wrote:
    SawleyRam wrote:On a more serious note Leeds United have not broken any rules or laws of the game so unless they are charged with bringing the game in to disrepute there is nothing that can be done as only morality comes into question.

    Prevention is the best way forward for the law makers of the game, add "spying" in it's many forms to the list of punishable offences, but that's common sense isn't it? So that's a no then.

    What happened at Moor Farm suggests that the Leeds employee was ready
    to go beyond simply spying. He had wire cutters, so you can assume trespass
    and criminal damage were options. The EFL needs to act before clubs are going
    to court and/or investing in electrified fences plius big dogs with sharp teeth.

    Points deduction seems the best deterrent, ensuring there will be no gain if
    the club is caught out.

    In Frank's interviews on the issue he said the same person, wearing the same clothing was caught doing the same thing before the home match against Leeds. So this wasn't an isolated incident - Bielsa has clearly been doing this all the time. Except for the Forest match, who he perhaps didn't require such "research".

    How much of Leed's success is down to their good play, and how much because he knew exactly what the opposition was up to, and could set his team up to nullify anything?
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    Post by SawleyRam on Sun 13 Jan 2019, 10:17 pm

    RRC wrote:
    SawleyRam wrote:On a more serious note Leeds United have not broken any rules or laws of the game so unless they are charged with bringing the game in to disrepute there is nothing that can be done as only morality comes into question.

    Prevention is the best way forward for the law makers of the game, add "spying" in it's many forms to the list of punishable offences, but that's common sense isn't it? So that's a no then.

    What happened at Moor Farm suggests that the Leeds employee was ready
    to go beyond simply spying. He had wire cutters, so you can assume trespass
    and criminal damage were options. The EFL needs to act before clubs are going
    to court and/or investing in electrified fences plius big dogs with sharp teeth.

    Points deduction seems the best deterrent, ensuring there will be no gain if
    the club is caught out.

    If he had wire cutters with him it would then be a police matter, not for the F.A. They must make it a punishable offence in the laws of the game  to help prevent further occurrences.



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    Post by MadAmster on Mon 14 Jan 2019, 1:12 pm

    To include actions which aren't specifically dealt with by rules, regs and Laws is exactly why they have the "disrepute" charge.

    Will it be used in this case? I doubt it.
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    Post by MadAmster on Wed 16 Jan 2019, 4:51 pm

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    Post by valakari on Wed 16 Jan 2019, 6:36 pm

    no, the fishcake has just told every other team all our tactics, stats and game plans!
    He should be thrown out of British football for good!
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    Post by MadAmster on Wed 16 Jan 2019, 7:18 pm

    He has also admitting doing it for EVERY game......... I hope the EFL and FA take that information into account in their deliberations.
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    Post by Calif_Ramette on Thu 17 Jan 2019, 12:27 am

    MadAmster wrote:He has also admitting doing it for EVERY game......... I hope the EFL and FA take that information into account in their deliberations.

    Nothing will happen and Leeds fans will brag about it, as you have seen on my FB page. They don't care, the FA will do nothing and he will keep doing it unless it is made illegal by the FA which it won't be. I have never seen fans like dirties take such glee in this as they are, its rather disgusting and sad.
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    Post by MadAmster on Thu 17 Jan 2019, 8:26 am

    Calif_Ramette wrote:
    MadAmster wrote:He has also admitting doing it for EVERY game......... I hope the EFL and FA take that information into account in their deliberations.

    Nothing will happen and Leeds fans will brag about it, as you have seen on my FB page. They don't care, the FA will do nothing and he will keep doing it unless it is made illegal by the FA which it won't be. I have never seen fans like dirties take such glee in this as they are, its rather disgusting and sad.

    History lesson for you Cal. The "Dirty" tag started back in the late 60s and early 70s and was relevant to the entire club. Manager, players and fans. It seems some things never change.......
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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Thu 17 Jan 2019, 3:58 pm

    Dean Saunders brilliantly shot down a Yorkshire Post Journalist on talksport this morning.

    First of all a supporter rang up going totally overboard about the 'genius' that is Bielsa and Deano disappointingly said nothing, he was clearly keeping his powder dry because they then went on to interview the Leeds reporter from the Yorkshire Post.

    Again he was waxing lyrical about how dedicated Bielsa is, so much greater than any other manager that ever lived and this 'spying' was only a tiny amount of the overall research that he does on every team, apparently he did over 300 hours of research on Derby alone, including all matches from last season and this season and this was when Deano stepped in.

    He stopped the know it all journo and said every team does analysis on the opposition even non league teams, he said you can get students on work experience to analyse the opposition with the right computer software which is readily available. The journo accepted this but countered with "there is no way though that non league teams would do that amount of work on the opposition". Deano stepped in with "I'm telling you that they do, I know because I've managed in non league".

    The Journo changed tack with, "maybe that is true but it was only a small insignificant part of the overall analysis", but Deano was having non of it, he stepped in and finished him off with, "He will have learned more in that half hour of spying than in the other 300 hours put together. knowing that Harry Wilson isn't playing, who is playing instead and what we are consequently doing with free kicks, means that he can tailor his team to counter everything that Derby do".

    With that the journo was gone and the argument was won.

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