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    Post by RRC on Sat 19 Jan 2019, 5:05 pm

    Derby made one change to the side that started at Southampton, with Holmes replacing Bryson. It was
    a first league start for Roos, because Carson is injured. The subs included four youngsters - Mitchell,
    Buchanan, Wilson and Bird.
          Roos
          Bogle Keogh Tomori Malone
          Wilson Huddlestone Mount
          Waghorn Marriott Holmes
          subs Mitchell Evans Buchanan Wilson Bird Bennett Nugent
    Reading named the side that started in their 2-0 win over Florist.

    A swift move by Huddlestone and Wilson set up Holmes to score his first goal for Derby on 3 minutes.
    Moments later a careless back pass to the Reading keeper gave Marriott a half chance to double the
    lead but his shot was saved. Marriott shot over the bar when he was presented with a weak header by
    the keeper and Wilson scuffed a shot wide. It was all Derby with the players passing and moving
    quickly with great confidence. The visitors' defence looked shaky every time Derby attacked.



    Reading's first attack on 13 minutes ended in a corner and after that they had a better spell with Swift
    linking up their moves. Derby helped by standing off and giving them too much time and possession.
    Swift had a good chance but his shot was wide. Malone was lively on Rams' left, linking well with Mount,
    but the Rams were giving the ball away cheaply too often in the final third. From the middle of the half,
    Reading had most of the possession and looked more dangerous.  Holmes and Marriott were kept busy
    stopping Reading from passing the ball out from the back. A fine move between Huddlestone, Wilson
    and Waghorn gave Wilson an opening and his shot was deflected into the roof of the net on 40 minutes.
    Barrow made a super cross but none of the Reading players was quick enough to take advantage.
    For all their possession Reading had only one shot - Derby had six with three on target.
    HT Derby 2-0 Reading

    A promising Reading move was like the one at the end of the first half with no Reading player able to
    reach Barrow's excellent cross. Derby's tempo was too slow, their passing was poor and they were
    not pressing the Reading defence. A good free kick by Swift was just over the Derby bar. Waghorn put
    the ball into the net but he was flagged offside. The Rams had several chances to add to their score but
    they kept missing and Reading were well wide with their efforts. Derby gave the ball away from a
    free kick and Aluko burst through to pull a goal back for Reading on 66 minutes and then Roos made
    good save. Reading were finding it easy to pass around Derby and Roos had to tackle on the sideline
    to stop an attack. Many of the Rams looked too tired to compete.

    Bogle forced a great save from the Reading keeper. Bennett replaced Marriott in a front two on 80
    minutes. Aluko smashed the ball over the bar with Reading players lining up for a pass and the Rams
    defence beaten. Nugent came on for Holmes on 87 minutes. Reading had all the momentum but they
    wasted a few balls as did Derby. Evans replaced Wilson in added time. A scramble in the Derby box
    took ages to clear with Reading trying too many clever passes, and Derby's narrow lead survived.
    FT Derby 2-1 Reading

    The vital three points kept Derby in 6th place, a point behind West Brom (4th, with a game in hand)
    and Boro (5th). Leeds (1st) lost, with Norwich (2nd) and Sheffield United (3rd, play at tea time).
    They are just two points ahead of Bristol City (7th).



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    Re: Derby 2-1 Reading reports and comments

    Post by DavesaRam on Sat 19 Jan 2019, 7:28 pm

    Well that was satisfying in an unsatisfying kind of way. We started very brightly and a superb, multiplayer move at high speed cut Reading wide open with Holmes applying the finishing touch. IT was a superbly worked goal. The approach play was possibly even better than the Mac 1 era!

    We pressed for a while after the goal, especially closing Reading down to stop them playing out from the back, and they looked easily the worst team I have seen at Pride Park all season. We had a number of opportunities, with Marriott getting a couple of chances which he missed, both times Waghorn was in a fantastic position for the lay-off, but Marriott went for the blast. Poor decision making, but he hasn't scored loads of goals through laying the ball off in front of goal, Besides, his team play and build up work is excellent, so no worries, carry on Jack! We gradually moved towards playing a long ball game, with maybe 4 or 5 situations were the through pass was millimeters away from splitting the defence and putting one of our players through. So close, so close!

    Unfortunatelywe seemed to rely too much on the cutting long ball, but suddenly we got the ball down and started to play again, and we ended up with another super goal - not quite as sublime qas the first, but still a joy to the eye!

    The second half carried on with a preference for playing long defence-splitters, and we seemed content to simply contain Reading, draw them into our half and then hit them on the counter attack. Pretty effective, if only we were more clinical in front of goal.

    However, at half-time I was getting all excited that we were going to get two good refs in a row, because Andy Taylor on Wednesday night was really good, apart from his wrong use of VAR, and missing the foul on Harry Wilson in the lead up to the second goal. But a great ref none the loss. I still had my doubts, and mentioned the possibility of today's official getting his half-time EFL bollocking for being too impartial. And bollocking he got, because a few minutes into the second half he started, giving free-kicks against Mason Mount who got the ball on all three occasions, with the ref booking him for the third. Baffling. Mount, who has come back to life in the last two matches, then seemed to fade a bit, and I noticed that although he was challenging for the ball, he was no longer putting tackles in. There were numerous weird decisions, including booking Holmes, with no-one having a clue what for. Holmes had just beaten two men and laid the ball off to Wilson, I think, with the ref calling the play back. People around me could only guess that Holmes had blocked a player off. But then Waghorn had been blocked off on the half-way line to prevent him getting clear onto a through ball, but not even a free-kick. Consistency? Where?

    Unfortunately a bit of sloppy play let Reading in to pull a goal back, and suddenly the game changed. The goal put a spring into Reading's step, and they were buzzing all over the pitch, still not very good, but giving us a game. How often when a team takes their foot off the gas it is almost impossible to increase the tempo again.

    No individual player is to blame, because as with Wednesday against Southampton the whole team played well. It was a matter of tactics. Sitting back, containing Reading and hitting them on the break is what made the match difficult for the last portion. In some ways I can understand us not going hell for leather because of the draining match on Wednesday, but at 2 - 0 there is always a risk of the opposition getting back into the game, as Reading did today. It seems we rarely put teams to the sword, but surely pressing for a third, or maybe a fourth would have prevented all the worries and concerns for the last part of the match. In reality we should have had 4 or 5 today, and without too much more effort. In fact a caller on Radio Derby said you waste more energy chasing the opposition than you do chasing the next goal.

    Tomori was a giant once again, with hardly anything getting past him, although I think he was involved in the play which allowed the reading goal. As I have mentioned, Mount has come back to life, with some great inter-passing in midfield, and challenging and winning balls in midfield, something which we have not seen enough of in recent weeks. Welcome back, Mason! Kelle Roos did his first team prospects no harm with today's performance, although his dash to the touch line was a bit hairy! Perhaps he shouldn't have done that, but he had to decide to act in a split second. And the speed with which he ran out to make the challenge was phenomenal! He perhaps felt that the ball was on the wrong side of Bogle for him to put in a tackle, and there was a real danger of the winger getting straight on on goal. Personally, I had no doubts that Roos would get the ball - during warm ups he hs virtually done no goalkeeper work, but worked on ball control and passing with thepother outfield players. And he looks a pretty good footballer. This is why his distribution is so much better than Carson's.

    In the end we saw the game out and got the points, which is all that matters. In the past we would have been leggy right from the start because of the midweek exertions, and we were also likely to lose against a team like reading, so its all good.

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    Re: Derby 2-1 Reading reports and comments

    Post by Ram78 on Sat 19 Jan 2019, 7:29 pm

    Should of scored a few more but some of the final balls weren’t good enough, can’t grumble as we got what we needed on a freezing January afternoon
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    Re: Derby 2-1 Reading reports and comments

    Post by Mitten State Ram on Sat 19 Jan 2019, 8:19 pm

    Any win less than three full days after the massive effort at St. Mary's is a good win. Plus all the other results went our way. The fixture lists sets up nicely for us if we can stay healthy.
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    Re: Derby 2-1 Reading reports and comments

    Post by MadAmster on Sat 19 Jan 2019, 8:36 pm

    How did we not get 5 in the opening 15 minutes? Excellent form the off. We bossed the first half and their one real chance, which Swift put wide, came on the counter and he had the chance because he was central in our box 10 yards from goal and nobody picked him up. Something that often happens when we concede.

    Right through the 90 minutes they looked dangerous down the wings because both full backs, as per usual kept moving 30 yards infield leaving the wide man all the time and space he needs to be a danger. We really have to stop doing that.

    Good game to watch and an 8-3 scoreline wouldn't have done either side an injustice.

    Roos looked assured, showed what Dutch keepers do, play football. They are taught, from an early age, to use both feet and act as a sort of sweeper in open play. That is why his distribution is better than Carson's. Not at fault for their goal. No idea why Carson was out today but Roos deserves the Accrington Cup tie next week IMO.

    Bogle had a good game. The odd mistake here and there but the biggest is being too far infield but that isn't his fault. He is playing to orders.

    Keogh was a proper workhorse again. A couple of failed clearances when under pressure but others made them as well. He had a good game.

    Tomori was immense. Just one mistake that stood out and unfortunately that was the misplaced pass that allowed Aloku to score

    Malone very good again. As with Bogle, is major problem are the orders he plays to.

    Holmes was da bomb for 20 minutes then took more of a backstage role but was still everywhere and doing his bit.

    Hudds was good. Lost the ball on a couple of occasions when surrounded by 3 or 4 opponents but he put in a dozen important tackles.

    Mount is about back to his best. No need to say more.

    Wilson. A goal and an assist and fouled about 20 times, 4 of which were given. 'arry's still on fire.

    Marriott. Might have had 3 in the opening 10 minutes. For 2 of them Waggy was in space with the goal beckoning but, as Dave said, he did what strikers do, He took the shot.

    Waghorn. Everywhere. Attack. Defence. Tackling. Passing. Shooting. Top performance. My MOTM.

    Reading looked as bad as their League position would suggest for 20 minutes. After that they looked more durable and more dangerous but still no match for Derby.

    Still 6th, just 1 point behind Boro and the Baggies and just the 4 behind 3rd placed Sheff U. Only 2 ahead of 7th though

    7 points ahead of 11th so they will, yet again, have to "mind the gap" LOL roll
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    Re: Derby 2-1 Reading reports and comments

    Post by SawleyRam on Sat 19 Jan 2019, 10:21 pm

    DavesaRam wrote:Well that was satisfying in an unsatisfying kind of way. We started  very brightly and a superb, multiplayer move at high speed cut Reading wide open with Holmes applying the finishing touch. IT was a superbly worked goal. The approach play was possibly even better than the Mac 1 era!

    We pressed for a while after the goal, especially closing Reading down to stop them playing out from the back, and they looked easily the worst team I have seen at Pride Park all season. We had a number of opportunities, with Marriott getting a couple of chances which he missed, both times Waghorn was in a fantastic position for the lay-off, but Marriott went for the blast. Poor decision making, but he hasn't scored loads of goals through laying the ball off in front of goal, Besides, his team play and build up work is excellent, so no worries, carry on Jack! We gradually moved towards playing a long ball game, with maybe 4 or 5 situations were the through pass was millimeters away from splitting the defence and putting one of our players through. So close, so close!

    Unfortunatelywe seemed to rely too much on the cutting long ball, but suddenly we got the ball down and started to play again, and we ended up with another super goal - not quite as sublime qas the first, but still a joy to the eye!

    The second half carried on with a preference for playing long defence-splitters, and we seemed content to simply contain Reading, draw them into our half and then hit them on the counter attack. Pretty effective, if only we were more clinical in front of goal.

    However, at half-time I was getting all excited that we were going to get two good refs in a row, because Andy Taylor on Wednesday night was really good, apart from his wrong use of VAR, and missing the foul on Harry Wilson in the lead up to the second goal. But a great ref none the loss. I still had my doubts, and mentioned the possibility of today's official getting his half-time EFL bollocking for being too impartial. And bollocking he got, because a few minutes into the second half he started, giving free-kicks against Mason Mount who got the ball on all three occasions, with the ref booking him for the third. Baffling. Mount, who has come back to life in the last two matches, then seemed to fade a bit, and I noticed that although he was challenging for the ball, he was no longer putting tackles in. There were numerous weird decisions, including booking Holmes, with no-one having a clue what for. Holmes had just beaten two men and laid the ball off to Wilson, I think, with the ref calling the play back. [/b]People around me could only guess that Holmes had blocked a player off. But then Waghorn had been blocked off on the half-way line to prevent him getting clear onto a through ball, but not even a free-kick. Consistency? Where?

    Unfortunately a bit of sloppy play let Reading in to pull a goal back, and suddenly the game changed. The goal put a spring into Reading's step, and they were buzzing all over the pitch, still not very good, but giving us a game. How often when a team takes their foot off the gas it is almost impossible to increase the tempo again.

    No individual player is to blame, because as with Wednesday against Southampton the whole team played well. It was a matter of tactics. Sitting back, containing Reading and hitting them on the break is what made the match difficult for the last portion. In some ways I can understand us not going hell for leather because of the draining match on Wednesday, but at 2 - 0 there is always a risk of the opposition getting back into the game, as Reading did today. It seems we rarely put teams to the sword, but surely pressing for a third, or maybe a fourth would have prevented all the worries and concerns for the last part of the match. In reality we should have had 4 or 5 today, and without too much more effort. In fact a caller on Radio Derby said you waste more energy chasing the opposition than you do chasing the next goal.

    Tomori was a giant once again, with hardly anything getting past him, although I think he was involved in the play which allowed the reading goal. As I have mentioned, Mount has come back to life, with some great inter-passing in midfield, and challenging and winning balls in midfield, something which we have not seen enough of in recent weeks. Welcome back, Mason! Kelle Roos did his first team prospects no harm with today's performance, although his dash to the touch line was a bit hairy! Perhaps he shouldn't have done that, but he had to decide to act in a split second. And the speed with which he ran out to make the challenge was phenomenal!   He perhaps felt that the ball was on the wrong side of Bogle for him to put in a tackle, and there was a real danger of the winger getting straight on on goal. Personally, I had no doubts that Roos would get the ball - during warm ups he hs virtually done no goalkeeper work, but worked on ball control and passing with thepother outfield players. And he looks a pretty good footballer. This is why his distribution is so much better than Carson's.

    In the end we saw the game out and got the points, which is all that matters. In the past we would have been leggy right from the start because of the midweek exertions, and we were also likely to lose against a team like reading, so its all good.

    Come On You Rams!

    Sorry to report Holmes deserved his booking, he kicked one of their players off the ball after a bit of argy bargy whilst on that run, we've both seen players get sent off for less so I was happy to see it was a yellow, not the other colour, the ref was content for both sides to play a hard game but was not going to stand for wanton flailing of legs especially off the ball.
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    Re: Derby 2-1 Reading reports and comments

    Post by MadAmster on Sat 19 Jan 2019, 10:29 pm

    SawleyRam wrote:
    DavesaRam wrote:Well that was satisfying in an unsatisfying kind of way. We started  very brightly and a superb, multiplayer move at high speed cut Reading wide open with Holmes applying the finishing touch. IT was a superbly worked goal. The approach play was possibly even better than the Mac 1 era!

    We pressed for a while after the goal, especially closing Reading down to stop them playing out from the back, and they looked easily the worst team I have seen at Pride Park all season. We had a number of opportunities, with Marriott getting a couple of chances which he missed, both times Waghorn was in a fantastic position for the lay-off, but Marriott went for the blast. Poor decision making, but he hasn't scored loads of goals through laying the ball off in front of goal, Besides, his team play and build up work is excellent, so no worries, carry on Jack! We gradually moved towards playing a long ball game, with maybe 4 or 5 situations were the through pass was millimeters away from splitting the defence and putting one of our players through. So close, so close!

    Unfortunatelywe seemed to rely too much on the cutting long ball, but suddenly we got the ball down and started to play again, and we ended up with another super goal - not quite as sublime qas the first, but still a joy to the eye!

    The second half carried on with a preference for playing long defence-splitters, and we seemed content to simply contain Reading, draw them into our half and then hit them on the counter attack. Pretty effective, if only we were more clinical in front of goal.

    However, at half-time I was getting all excited that we were going to get two good refs in a row, because Andy Taylor on Wednesday night was really good, apart from his wrong use of VAR, and missing the foul on Harry Wilson in the lead up to the second goal. But a great ref none the loss. I still had my doubts, and mentioned the possibility of today's official getting his half-time EFL bollocking for being too impartial. And bollocking he got, because a few minutes into the second half he started, giving free-kicks against Mason Mount who got the ball on all three occasions, with the ref booking him for the third. Baffling. Mount, who has come back to life in the last two matches, then seemed to fade a bit, and I noticed that although he was challenging for the ball, he was no longer putting tackles in. There were numerous weird decisions, including booking Holmes, with no-one having a clue what for. Holmes had just beaten two men and laid the ball off to Wilson, I think, with the ref calling the play back. [/b]People around me could only guess that Holmes had blocked a player off. But then Waghorn had been blocked off on the half-way line to prevent him getting clear onto a through ball, but not even a free-kick. Consistency? Where?

    Unfortunately a bit of sloppy play let Reading in to pull a goal back, and suddenly the game changed. The goal put a spring into Reading's step, and they were buzzing all over the pitch, still not very good, but giving us a game. How often when a team takes their foot off the gas it is almost impossible to increase the tempo again.

    No individual player is to blame, because as with Wednesday against Southampton the whole team played well. It was a matter of tactics. Sitting back, containing Reading and hitting them on the break is what made the match difficult for the last portion. In some ways I can understand us not going hell for leather because of the draining match on Wednesday, but at 2 - 0 there is always a risk of the opposition getting back into the game, as Reading did today. It seems we rarely put teams to the sword, but surely pressing for a third, or maybe a fourth would have prevented all the worries and concerns for the last part of the match. In reality we should have had 4 or 5 today, and without too much more effort. In fact a caller on Radio Derby said you waste more energy chasing the opposition than you do chasing the next goal.

    Tomori was a giant once again, with hardly anything getting past him, although I think he was involved in the play which allowed the reading goal. As I have mentioned, Mount has come back to life, with some great inter-passing in midfield, and challenging and winning balls in midfield, something which we have not seen enough of in recent weeks. Welcome back, Mason! Kelle Roos did his first team prospects no harm with today's performance, although his dash to the touch line was a bit hairy! Perhaps he shouldn't have done that, but he had to decide to act in a split second. And the speed with which he ran out to make the challenge was phenomenal!   He perhaps felt that the ball was on the wrong side of Bogle for him to put in a tackle, and there was a real danger of the winger getting straight on on goal. Personally, I had no doubts that Roos would get the ball - during warm ups he hs virtually done no goalkeeper work, but worked on ball control and passing with thepother outfield players. And he looks a pretty good footballer. This is why his distribution is so much better than Carson's.

    In the end we saw the game out and got the points, which is all that matters. In the past we would have been leggy right from the start because of the midweek exertions, and we were also likely to lose against a team like reading, so its all good.

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    Sorry to report Holmes deserved his booking, he kicked one of their players off the ball after a bit of argy bargy whilst on that run, we've both seen players get sent off for less so I was happy to see it was a yellow, not the other colour, the ref was content for both sides to play a hard game but was not going to stand for wanton flailing of legs especially off the ball.

    Holmes should have gone IMO. He got hit by a flailing arm and took the Law into his own hands and kicked the owner of that arm in a fit of petulance. Like Sawls I was pleased it was only a yellow.
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    Re: Derby 2-1 Reading reports and comments

    Post by New England Ram on Sat 19 Jan 2019, 10:54 pm

    Got all our punches in early ..legs went second half “but we were good enough to hang on backed up against the ropes.



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    Post by DavesaRam on Sat 19 Jan 2019, 10:54 pm

    Thanks for clarifying that. This explains why he was substituted: he went for a tackle and put the ball into the stands with some real anger, so Frank took him off for his own good.
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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Sat 19 Jan 2019, 11:18 pm

    I saw that whole incident and it was entirely of the referees making. Holmes played the ball forward and tried to go between 2 playersboth of whom pulled him back, first Swift and secondly their number 7 who had done the exact same thing twice in the first half to prevent a quck break by the Rams. Holmes may have desreved his booking but it was easy to understand why frustration got the better of him.
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    Post by Stockport Ram on Sun 20 Jan 2019, 1:21 pm

    Some great reports as always, and as I was there I've little else to add.


    Except for the Holmes goal. For the first time ever I chose to sit on the side opposite the dug outs and level-ish with the penalty area, about 10-12 rows back.

    I didn't celebrate the goal because Holmes was a number of yards offside, and it was so clear to the naked eye. My reply was similar to the one Ammy witnessed with the Vydra 23 second goal - disbelief followed by pure joy.

    I'd say we were more than due that bit of luck.
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    Post by Loughborough Ram on Sun 20 Jan 2019, 2:13 pm

    I was sitting at the back of the Gordon Guthrie stand and I was the same, I sat there waiting for a flag
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    Post by valakari on Sun 20 Jan 2019, 10:45 pm

    I was in the North stand, and i thought he looked offside too....about time we got some luck!
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    Post by MadAmster on Mon 21 Jan 2019, 7:25 am

    Stockport Ram wrote:Some great reports as always, and as I was there I've little else to add.


    Except for the Holmes goal.  For the first time ever I chose to sit on the side opposite the dug outs and level-ish with the penalty area, about 10-12 rows back.

    I didn't celebrate the goal because Holmes was a number of yards offside, and it was so clear to the naked eye. My reply was similar to the one Ammy witnessed  with the Vydra 23 second goal - disbelief followed by pure joy.

    I'd say we were more than due that bit of luck.

    Aka the East Stand? We've sat there before Stockers. You either have to drink more or drink less. I'll leave the choice up to you Wink


    Via RamsTV I thought he might have been offside but as it wasn't given I deduced that the left back, who was out of shot both live and in the replays they showed, must have played him on.

    Thinking about that opening 20 minutes, Reading got what they asked for. They won the toss and chose to attack the North Stand first half knowing that is what Derby like to do. Many clubs have a preference for which way they play 1st/2nd half at home and, for some reason I have never known, most visitors go along with that. Reading chose not to.
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    Re: Derby 2-1 Reading reports and comments

    Post by Stockport Ram on Mon 21 Jan 2019, 5:34 pm

    MadAmster wrote:
    Stockport Ram wrote:Some great reports as always, and as I was there I've little else to add.


    Except for the Holmes goal.  For the first time ever I chose to sit on the side opposite the dug outs and level-ish with the penalty area, about 10-12 rows back.

    I didn't celebrate the goal because Holmes was a number of yards offside, and it was so clear to the naked eye. My reply was similar to the one Ammy witnessed  with the Vydra 23 second goal - disbelief followed by pure joy.

    I'd say we were more than due that bit of luck.

    Aka the East Stand? We've sat there before Stockers. You either have to drink more or drink less. I'll leave the choice up to you Wink


    Via RamsTV I thought he might have been offside but as it wasn't given I deduced that the left back, who was out of shot both live and in the replays they showed, must have played him on.

    Thinking about that opening 20 minutes, Reading got what they asked for. They won the toss and chose to attack the North Stand first half knowing that is what Derby like to do. Many clubs have a preference for which way they play 1st/2nd half at home and, for some reason I have never known, most visitors go along with that. Reading chose not to.

    Drink more, obviously.


    We have Ammy, but nowhere near that far down. I could acctually hear the away fans on Saturday !
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    Re: Derby 2-1 Reading reports and comments

    Post by MadAmster on Mon 21 Jan 2019, 8:01 pm

    I am of the opinion that the 4 Dutch visitors could not have done that last December..... Drink
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    Re: Derby 2-1 Reading reports and comments

    Post by Stockport Ram on Thu 24 Jan 2019, 6:59 am

    MadAmster wrote:I am of the opinion that the 4 Dutch visitors could not have done that last December..... Drink

    I am of the opinion that you are right....as usual :-)

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