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    Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by RRC on Wed 23 Jan 2019, 7:35 pm

    One website thinks that Lampard will rest lots of players at
    Accrington, and save the best for Preston a week on Friday -

    Roos
    Wisdom Keogh Tomori Cole
    Bryson Evans Mount
    Waghorn Nugent Josefzoon

    I'd guess that Lampard might use some of the younger players,
    though maybe on the bench, rather than starting.

    Who would you pick?

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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by Bobbies Helmet on Wed 23 Jan 2019, 7:52 pm

    Can't see Cole starting, he needs to get to championship fitness
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by New England Ram on Wed 23 Jan 2019, 8:46 pm

    Play your best eleven..cup runs are good for momentum..you know it’s a team you should beat give yourselves the best possible chance to do so.
    A bit of luck and there is a decent chance of a FA Cup semi imo.



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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by Jackal on Wed 23 Jan 2019, 9:29 pm

    RRC wrote:One website thinks that Lampard will rest lots of players at
    Accrington, and save the best for Preston a week on Friday -

    Roos
    Wisdom Keogh Tomori Cole
    Bryson Evans Mount
    Waghorn Nugent Josefzoon

    I'd guess that Lampard might use some of the younger players,
    though maybe on the bench, rather than starting.

    Who would you pick?

    HITC
    That side looks pretty much what I'd expect, although personally I'd play Bogle at right back. A good performance against these might be the catalyst for a great second half of the season for him.
    Edit: forgot about Bennett, he may start instead of Waghorn.
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by mcsilks on Wed 23 Jan 2019, 11:48 pm

    RRC wrote:One website thinks that Lampard will rest lots of players at
    Accrington, and save the best for Preston a week on Friday -

    Roos
    Wisdom Keogh Tomori Cole
    Bryson Evans Mount
    Waghorn Nugent Josefzoon

    I'd guess that Lampard might use some of the younger players,
    though maybe on the bench, rather than starting.

    Who would you pick?

    HITC


    I really do despise this modern football term known as 'resting' players. Resting players from what exactly? 90 minutes of hard work once a week?

    We must play our best team if we are to progress. I wouldn't play the likes of Mason Bennett as he has still yet to show he is good enough at this level. Occasional flashes of talent just doesn't quite cut it for me.

    Why not play our strongest team. No midweek fixtures to speak of, so the pampered club staff have nothing to complain about there. Take Accrington lightly and we lose. History suggests this will be no easy game.
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by New England Ram on Thu 24 Jan 2019, 1:16 am

    mcsilks wrote:
    RRC wrote:One website thinks that Lampard will rest lots of players at
    Accrington, and save the best for Preston a week on Friday -

    Roos
    Wisdom Keogh Tomori Cole
    Bryson Evans Mount
    Waghorn Nugent Josefzoon

    I'd guess that Lampard might use some of the younger players,
    though maybe on the bench, rather than starting.

    Who would you pick?

    HITC


    I really do despise this modern football term known as 'resting' players. Resting players from what exactly? 90 minutes of hard work once a week?

    We must play our best team if we are to progress. I wouldn't play the likes of Mason Bennett as he has still yet to show he is good enough at this level. Occasional flashes of talent just doesn't quite cut it for me.

    Why not play our strongest team. No midweek fixtures to speak of, so the pampered club staff have nothing to complain about there. Take Accrington lightly and we lose. History suggests this will be no easy game.

    Totally agree..I will never understand why and when that aspect of the game crept in..well of course I know when it crept in...after 1992.
    But Cloughie senior played to win everything he was in..tin pot or not.
    I think back to teams like Oxford going on great league cup runs and carrying that form on into the league and gaining promotions.
    Besides which I’ve always said..pick your best eleven and keep picking them until form or injury dictates change.



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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by MadAmster on Thu 24 Jan 2019, 7:52 am

    mcsilks wrote:


    I really do despise this modern football term known as 'resting' players. Resting players from what exactly? 90 minutes of hard work once a week?

    We must play our best team if we are to progress. I wouldn't play the likes of Mason Bennett as he has still yet to show he is good enough at this level. Occasional flashes of talent just doesn't quite cut it for me.

    Why not play our strongest team. No midweek fixtures to speak of, so the pampered club staff have nothing to complain about there. Take Accrington lightly and we lose. History suggests this will be no easy game.

    Resting, aka rotation. If someone has a "niggle" then resting that player against a lower side might be seen as common sense, provided you have an adequate stand in..... and we do IMO. Rotation is a sop to keep the fringe and bench players happy, IMO and therefore understandable. Like you, I don't like it. Resting 8, 9 or more players is disrespectful to both your opponent and the Cup competitions.

    Bennett? I would agree with you to an extent McS. He has yet to fulfil his promise on a regular basis since his debut oh so many years ago. His major problem for me is his apparent inability to play a full season or anywhere near that. I still think the lad has what it takes but has to be available more often and get a long run to reach, and hopefully maintain, his potential. Closed season 17/18 he was the best wide man along with Weimann. Once the season started Weimann and JR got the nod. Bennett performed well when coming on as sub and forced a start. Trying too hard to impress he made a tackle and injured himself. That was last season done and dusted for the most part. This closed season, same again. He impressed. The season started and he got starts. No flashes of brilliance but a steady stream of very good performances both in an attacking and defensive manner. He also formed a very good partnership with Bogle down the right flank and it looked for all the world that we had found the right, right field duo, with a combined age of 40, until his hamstring went. It is important to remember that, despite his layoff, he is now back, fit again and is still equal top assist giver along with our other long term injury Fozzy. He started this season the way his potential has always suggested he could. If he stays fit and reproduces and maintains his early season form he will be an important part of the squad this season. One thing is certain, Lampard loves him.

    With an eye on the goal of promotion, I agree about playing the strongest team available in the Cup  but I would not risk anyone with a niggle. A Cup run is desirable but must take 2nd place to the League and we shouldn't take any unnecessary risks with players.
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by valakari on Thu 24 Jan 2019, 11:11 am

    Personally, i hope we do well in the cup, but not at the expense of the league. Mason Mount played against Chelsea in the Carabao Cup when he had a niggle from the previous match. He made it worse and was then out for a few games! I know maybe, that it was because it was Chelsea, but Frank has nothing to prove against Accrington!
    So personally, i would play the fringe players, those needing game time, because otherwise, when/ if needed in the future, they will have no match fitness at all.
    My team would be;
    Roos;
    Bogle, Wisdom, Timori, Cole;
    Evans, Bird, Elsnick;
    Bennett, Nugent, Jozefzoon;
    We need to rest a central defender, as we have no cover there, but try Wisdom to see if he can be that cover. Keogh being the eldest makes sense.
    Cole needs a game.
    Elsnick and Bird should be looked at in a competitive match.
    Bennett , Nugent and Jozefzoon need game time.
    We can have the big hitters on the bench if needed, ie;
    Carson, Keogh, Huddlestone, Bryson, Mount, Wilson and Marriott or Waghorn
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by mcsilks on Thu 24 Jan 2019, 11:41 am

    valakari wrote:Personally, i hope we do well in the cup, but not at the expense of the league. Mason Mount played against Chelsea in the Carabao Cup when he had a niggle from the previous match. He made it worse and was then out for a few games! I know maybe, that it was because it was Chelsea, but Frank has nothing to prove against Accrington!
    So personally, i would play the fringe players, those needing game time, because otherwise, when/ if needed in the future, they will have no match fitness at all.
    My team would be;
    Roos;
    Bogle, Wisdom, Timori, Cole;
    Evans, Bird, Elsnick;
    Bennett, Nugent, Jozefzoon;
    We need to rest a central defender, as we have no cover there, but try Wisdom to see if he can be that cover. Keogh being the eldest makes sense.
    Cole needs a game.
    Elsnick and Bird should be looked at in a competitive match.
    Bennett , Nugent and Jozefzoon need game time.
    We can have the big hitters on the bench if needed, ie;
    Carson, Keogh, Huddlestone, Bryson, Mount, Wilson and Marriott or Waghorn


    This game for me is the biggest of the season so far. A chance to progress to the latter rounds of the most famous national cup competition in our leagues.

    Would you feel the need to rest players and have a look at fringe players if we were playing away at a Premier League opponent?

    If Elsnick's time away has proven one thing, it is that other managers don't think he quite has what it takes at a lower level. He scored a few last season at Swindon if memory serves me right, but has certainly done nothing to indicate that we should be playing him from the start in this game.

    Leave the fringe players to come in when other players are injured and continue playing with our best 11 in every game. Momentum is what we need as we have barely had any for years now.

    I wouldn't even start with Cole. Just use him if and when Bugsy is injured.
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by Loughborough Ram on Thu 24 Jan 2019, 2:43 pm

    Personally I see very little reason to stray very far from the first choice 11. The players have had a week without football and after this game they have almost a full week before their next game.

    I would stick with the same team from Saturday unless anybody has a niggle, in which case there is no reason to risk them
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by valakari on Thu 24 Jan 2019, 5:57 pm

    Remember George Thorne and Ipswich...just saying....
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by rob on Fri 25 Jan 2019, 8:34 am

    watched that Blunderland documentary on Netflix I think we signed Josefzoon off the back of that

    and how the hell did we loose 4-1 to them they were an absolute shower of shite

    back on point I think he should start :-)
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by valakari on Fri 25 Jan 2019, 11:11 am

    Well Frank has said no Carson, Wisdom, Cole, Lawrence, so that narrows it slightly
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by valakari on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 1:09 pm

    valakari wrote:Remember George Thorne and Ipswich...just saying....
    There you go...Mount goes off injured in first half! fishcaking brilliant!.. and that is why you dont play your best players in the cup, when you are going for promotion!
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by bramhallram on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 1:21 pm

    valakari wrote:
    valakari wrote:Remember George Thorne and Ipswich...just saying....
    There you go...Mount goes off injured in first half! fishcaking brilliant!.. and that is why you dont play your best players in the cup, when you are going for promotion!

    Any news about Mount's injury ? Just what we don't need is to be without him in the league games coming up.

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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by Stockport Ram on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 1:35 pm

    Mount could have got that niggle in any game at any time.

    He took a corner after he signalled to go off, so either its not too serious or that was madness.


    He'll probably miss the next game but I doubt much more than that, otherwwise he should have come straight off.
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by valakari on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 2:24 pm

    Hamstring i tbink!!!.. and he wouldnt be injured if he hadnt played! Heavy pitch,...just asking for muscle strains!
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by Stockport Ram on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 2:30 pm

    valakari wrote:Hamstring i tbink!!!.. and he wouldnt be injured if he hadnt played! Heavy pitch,...just asking for muscle strains!


    With that logic,  we'd never play him.


    Hudds and Brys have their powder free,  dinna stress.

    Playing a weakened team would almost certainly have meant losing today, they were right up for it and can play a bit too.

    Would you rather have had the "Come on Frank, why didn't you give the Cup your full respect and play a strong team?" arguement on here and us out of the greatest cup competition in the world?

    At least anyone complaining now is happy with a win !
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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by mcsilks on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 3:17 pm

    valakari wrote:
    valakari wrote:Remember George Thorne and Ipswich...just saying....
    There you go...Mount goes off injured in first half! fishcaking brilliant!.. and that is why you dont play your best players in the cup, when you are going for promotion!


    Mount could have got injured at any time. The 'don't play players because they might get injured' is a nonsense.

    We pay them to play football. Injuries are part and parcel of that.

    You are clearly one of these fans that advocates playing weakened sides in the cup games. Do you not realise that this is destroying our cups! Play your strongest sides.

    I'm not concerned in the slightest about this injury. We have a big squad and let's face it; our performances in the league have hardly been inspiring with Mount in the side recently. A game or two away might help him to return to something like the form that got him into Southgate's reckoning.



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    Re: Guess the team v Accrington

    Post by SawleyRam on Sat 26 Jan 2019, 6:33 pm

    mcsilks wrote:
    valakari wrote:
    valakari wrote:Remember George Thorne and Ipswich...just saying....
    There you go...Mount goes off injured in first half! fishcaking brilliant!.. and that is why you dont play your best players in the cup, when you are going for promotion!


    Mount could have got injured at any time. The 'don't play players because they might get injured' is a nonsense.

    We pay them to play football. Injuries are part and parcel of that.

    You are clearly one of these fans that advocates playing weakened sides in the cup games. Do you not realise that this is destroying our cups! Play your strongest sides.

    I'm not concerned in the slightest about this injury. We have a big squad and let's face it; our performances in the league have hardly been inspiring with Mount in the side recently. A game or two away might help him to return to something like the form that got him into Southgate's reckoning.




    I hope Mount isn't out for too long and I agree with you, play every game to win, cup, league or friendly, a winning mentality has to be earned.

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